PL Woes

[Xoo]

Don't forget Esuna is a job ability not like he would of had the ability forever, this whole issue and thread could have been avoid had the party leader did his job and actually lead the party.

I'm not saying the OP isn't without blame. What I am saying is the person in question is just as much to blame. Who is actually at fault is the developers behind this battle system.

[Krausus]

I'm not saying the OP isn't without blame. What I am saying is the person in question is just as much to blame. Who is actually at fault is the developers behind this battle system.

you kidding me? it was a pug group hell even my LS group explains fights before the fights and one thing the leader would always say is if the tank gets petrified WHM make sure to esuna them. No use trying to argue with you though your always quick to jump on the anti-PL bandwagon regardless of the situation.

[Xianghua]

Truth in this, but to this as well...

OP said the guy didn't know what Esuna was or the effect it had on the target. Even if he had explained it, he wouldn't have appreciated the necessity in it. This is the problem with the battle system as it is now. In XI, a WHM knew exactly what Erase did the first time their tank got hit with a debuff.

No WHM knew what erase did after reading the description. There isn't a light that pops up in a exp pt only that tells you to use it. you learn it by reading the description. That doesn't require an exp pt.

Some of you just crack me up.

"Hey guys I just got this spell called Cure."
"cool whats it do?"
"Idk the description says "it cure's a target" but I won't know til I get an exp pt to try it out."

Some players are just horrible and you can't do anything about it.
You can never help someone who doesn't want to help themselves.

[Xoo]

No WHM knew what erase did after reading the description. There isn't a light that pops up in a exp pt only that tells you to use it. you learn it by reading the description. That doesn't require an exp pt.

Some of you just crack me up.

"Hey guys I just got this spell called Cure."
"cool whats it do?"
"Idk the description says "it cure's a target" but I won't know til I get an exp pt to try it out."

Some players are just horrible and you can't do anything about it.
You can never help someone who doesn't want to help themselves.

...and if you'd never had to use it before that very moment? Would you have even remembered? Especially if you were powerleveled up to Lv40+? Sorry, I'll keep knocking the negative repercussions of a broken battle system, the proliferation and abuse of PL because I do believe they bear a significant impact on the general quality of players.

[Arcell]

...and if you'd never had to use it before that very moment? Would you have even remembered? Especially if you were powerleveled up to Lv40+? Sorry, I'll keep knocking the negative repercussions of a broken battle system, the proliferation and abuse of PL because I do believe they bear a significant impact on the general quality of players.

They should have read the description of the spell. Any decent mage should know exactly what all the spells they currently have do. It's not like it's an incredibly complex spell. It removes negative status effects, that's it. The player in question clearly never even looked at what the spell did before and is thus a bad player regardless of how they obtained their levels. You can't fix that kind of stupid/lazy. Not to mention something like Esuna would have very limited, if any, use in an XP party so Moogle might be the first time they would use it regardless.

A good player would have read the description and would know what the spell does, there's no two ways about it.

[Xianghua]

...and if you'd never had to use it before that very moment? Would you have even remembered? Especially if you were powerleveled up to Lv40+? Sorry, I'll keep knocking the negative repercussions of a broken battle system, the proliferation and abuse of PL because I do believe they bear a significant impact on the general quality of players.

I was 50 cnj way before jobs came out. The 1st time I played white mage fully unlocked was CC. The minute I Saw Chimera do Scorpion Sting. and saw the poison. I knew to use the Esuna. Why? Because I knew what the spell did. I didn't need to go to an exp pt to learn what the spell did. I remember the spell because I am a good player. If you don't remember you have the spell that makes you a bad player and no amount of time spent an exp pt will make you remember.

[Nanamix]

I can tell you exactly what you did wrong, or rather, what you failed to do. As a pt leader it is your *job* to make sure everyone knows what they are doing before you even leave. As an example, I will use my 1st Ifrit run. I was PLed as well, but lets face it a DD isn't exactly complicated, plus i partied from 40-50 enough to know how to make my skills work.

PT leader: Anyone new to Ifrit?

Everyone else: ......

Me: I am

*pt leader explains where to stand, who to follow, what to look out for, etc etc.*

You should at least ask beforehand if anyone needs clarification on the fight, and what needs to be done in it. That is why you're a pt leader. Success is more or less your responsibility, you build the team, you make sure everyone knows their role, and then you set out. You can't heal stupidity, nor predict stupidity, but you *can* at least try to cover your bases before fighting. Now of course if an idiot doesn't speak up, nothing you can do.

Don't assume because someone is lvl 50 that they know what they are doing. Its quite easy to lvl 1-50 on any job and not use the majority of your skills. That WHM could have partied the whole time and never used Esuna, its entirely possible. PLing isn't the problem, the problem is that lvling does not require difficult and strategic group content. Grinding doesn't make you a good player. Your logic is just incorrect.

The issue at hand, to repeat myself, is that grinding does not require skill. It doesn't matter how ppl choose to lvl, they will not develop skill by mindlessly lvling. Skill is only developed through focused practice. Grinding = mindless. PLing = mindless. The method is irrelevant. Next time ask if anyone is new and go over the general strategy before leaving.

Frankly, no. That's where another problem collides. People needs to stop worrying about their E-Peen in general. Because the last time I did that, people were like "Oh, I know what to do, I've done Ifrit before" (A WHM, excuse you), and the idiot stood with the THM all the way in the back.



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[Lux_Rayna]

Frankly, no. That's where another problem collides. People needs to stop worrying about their E-Peen in general. Because the last time I did that, people were like "Oh, I know what to do, I've done Ifrit before" (A WHM, excuse you), and the idiot stood with the THM all the way in the back.



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Umm frankly yes. No it doesn't necessarily help, but as a pt leader its your job to at least *ask*. If you dont even do that much you're not even leading lol. You asked, so what if it failed. At least you asked and tried to do your job. Like I said you can't fix stupid. But there are times when you ask and someone will say "I dont know what im doing". That is where you find success. Its better to ask than to not ask at all and then complain about someone not knowing what they're doing.

[NoctisUmbra]

Some of the best players I have the pleasure of playing with right now were PLed. Even people who are PLed have to play in xp parties from 40-50 at least. Usually even earlier.

Whether one got PLed or grinded in xp parties does not correlate with how skilled they are at whatever job they have. In the end, besides various personal factors, what matters more is direct experience in endgame content playing that job.

Make sense please.

[Xoo]

Some of the best players I have the pleasure of playing with right now were PLed. Even people who are PLed have to play in xp parties from 40-50 at least. Usually even earlier.

Whether one got PLed or grinded in xp parties does not correlate with how skilled they are at whatever job they have. In the end, besides various personal factors, what matters more is direct experience in endgame content playing that job.

Make sense please.

Read, please:

The point I'm getting at is that some players need a hard supplementation to their general lack of skill at the game. This battle system, which requires little more than, again, Curaga and Stoneskin along with the potential for entirely skipping mid-game content through the back-alley of PL teaches them little more than those few tactics which otherwise might not even need explaining at such a critical time as during a major battle.

Even then, if they are so bad at what they do, the community would collectively get to know them as sub-par through their mid-game and would have otherwise known what to expect. Something that is very hard to derive from a player whose necessary skills for survival are so limited as to 2-3 actions, given that they don't opt out of completely to be powerleveled.