PL Woes

[darkstarpoet1]

Surely they realized once Abbesea hit players started dropping like flies. All their loyal previous subscribers just up and quit once content that had taken them years to finish were being blasted away by Month old's.

/sarcasm on

this excuse has been shown to be false. nobody left a game because the leveling speed was increased and accomplishments became worthless. it's bs to think anyone would leave a game when they worked on something for a year and then someone else came in and could do it in weeks-months. that just does not happen according to some in this thread.

/sarcasm off

[Vaer]

Wise words Vaer but this is what I cannot work out.

They know they had a faithful client base in FFXI. Proven numbers and accounts which remained active for YEARS on end without breaks. Why not create a similar atmosphere for the new game? All but ensure they retain the previous player base from FFXI while still netting those willing to shoulder the difficulty in this new generation? Surely everyone born after 1990 can't ALL be uninterested in an MMO which pushes back.

Instead of trying to compete with every other MMO which hand holds their customers to the end of the game and gives them a yellow sticker of mediocrity develop a harsh unforgiving world which only the crazy and stubborn survive? Sure you'll never reach the numbers that WoW has but then again, no one ever will. Surely they realized once Abbesea hit players started dropping like flies. All their loyal previous subscribers just up and quit once content that had taken them years to finish were being blasted away by Month old's.

FFXI is beating the ever living PANTS out of FFXIV numbers wise as it is. Risking the gambit again in 2.0 to 'appeal to a wider audience' seems like putting a smoking revolver back in your mouth because there is no WAY you could get two bullets back to back when playing Russian Roulette.

Well you know SE, they do everything backwards.

In regards to WoW, that is subjective.

I don't find kill x mobs, pick up x off the ground, use item on mob and kill, get x number of items from mob fun. That's pretty much all the questing system is. Do all those quests, go to a new area and do the same thing to mobs that look different. Forced grinding with a reward.

Battlegrounds have the same objective every time, granted the experience can be slightly different every time due to playing against players.

Dungeons nowadays are spam buttons until the end, don't say anything to your party members, get to the end, get reward and leave.

Back in Vanilla I remember having to grind on mobs because I ran out of quests and there was no dungeon finder, no heirlooms, no guild perks, slow mounts (first one was at level 40, guess what you had to walk everywhere first), and no auto learn flight paths. But to each their own, I guess.

Oh, but I agree with the make leveling fun and people wouldn't PL statement.

[Arcell]

Wise words Vaer but this is what I cannot work out.

They know they had a faithful client base in FFXI. Proven numbers and accounts which remained active for YEARS on end without breaks. Why not create a similar atmosphere for the new game? All but ensure they retain the previous player base from FFXI while still netting those willing to shoulder the difficulty in this new generation? Surely everyone born after 1990 can't ALL be uninterested in an MMO which pushes back.

Instead of trying to compete with every other MMO which hand holds their customers to the end of the game and gives them a yellow sticker of mediocrity develop a harsh unforgiving world which only the crazy and stubborn survive? Sure you'll never reach the numbers that WoW has but then again, no one ever will. Surely they realized once Abbesea hit players started dropping like flies. All their loyal previous subscribers just up and quit once content that had taken them years to finish were being blasted away by Month old's.

FFXI is beating the ever living PANTS out of FFXIV numbers wise as it is. Risking the gambit again in 2.0 to 'appeal to a wider audience' seems like putting a smoking revolver back in your mouth because there is no WAY you could get two bullets back to back when playing Russian Roulette.

FFXI is beating the pants off of FFXIV in numbers because FFXIV's launch was one of the worst in MMO history I'd say. The game was god-awful and most people quit. A lot of those people have not come back yet because they are waiting for 2.0 or have no interest in FFXIV.

The reason they didn't create a game with a similar atmosphere is because that wasn't the intent from the start. They have always advertised this game as being for a more casual audience than FFXI. You can still see this even today reflected in most of the decisions that are made. The game is not meant to be the same way FFXI used to be, never has and likely never will be.

And to be completely honest, if this game was more like FFXI I'd quit right now. I wouldn't have ever checked it out if I wasn't told that it would be different.

[Nixius]

I would say that this is not just an issue with PL, but with the structure of the game.

Me and my brother play casually, and we both duo'd guildleves to 50. Now we are starting to do 'real' stuff but we are somewhat clueless as to what we are supposed to do and we mess up, and feel bad for it too >_>

In other games (like XI) you had to party up, and there things you learned just by parting. Guildeves are just not complex enough to show you how to actually do your job properly.

[syntaxlies]

last night was the first time i saw shouts for PL for gil, 100k a lvl. If it was per person i prob woulda did it, lol, my instinct told me it wasn't though and i didn't bother to ask.

[syntaxlies]

i think the problem is yoshis idea of casual. I think his idea of casual may be 3-5 hours a week when the rest of us prob think anything under 15 hours a week.

[darkstarpoet1]

i think the problem is yoshis idea of casual. I think his idea of casual may be 3-5 hours a week when the rest of us prob think anything under 15 hours a week.

not according to yoshi. he gave a description of what he considers a casual and it was not 3-5 hours a week.

[Wolfie]

You know, I somehow doubt that you tell them "why not looking for a Party instead", and it's more like "U LAZY NOOB GO GET A PARTY NOOB." You know, since you've already proven to us that you're not above calling someone a drunk when they make a mistake, thinking that you have a right to be pissed at people, or thinking that you deserve to not have any inexperienced players in your groups.

[Zaaku]

You know, I somehow doubt that you tell them "why not looking for a Party instead", and it's more like "U LAZY NOOB GO GET A PARTY NOOB." You know, since you've already proven to us that you're not above calling someone a drunk when they make a mistake, thinking that you have a right to be pissed at people, or thinking that you deserve to not have any inexperienced players in your groups.

Not a mistake. Several. Several big obvious mistakes which no one in a normal state of mind would make. So either he was impaired or incompetent. One of those is much easier to say light heartedly. I never though to imagine that the reason he played like a newbie was because he WAS a newbie who just happened to be capped.

I'm curious, what exactly is your highest level? Your account doesn't show a 50 yet you seem to have great knowledge of how difficult it is to get past 30 and how PLing makes things better. Honestly if you are struggling in game right now I implore you to /shout for a LS and openly tell them that you are having problems. A good many people will take the time to help you out if you are constantly soloing. I don't hate newbies. In fact I find helping beginners to be a load of fun. This attitude of "DON'T YELL AT PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY ARE BAD" just screams like you are the victim of this kind of abuse from others who berate you. Seek assistance and be truthful about it. The right LS will show you the way.

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[Krausus]

Not a mistake. Several. Several big obvious mistakes which no one in a normal state of mind would make. So either he was impaired or incompetent. One of those is much easier to say light heartedly. I never though to imagine that the reason he played like a newbie was because he WAS a newbie who just happened to be capped.

I'm curious, what exactly is your highest level? Your account doesn't show a 50 yet you seem to have great knowledge of how difficult it is to get past 30 and how PLing makes things better. Honestly if you are struggling in game right now I implore you to /shout for a LS and openly tell them that you are having problems. A good many people will take the time to help you out if you are constantly soloing. I don't hate newbies. In fact I find helping beginners to be a load of fun. This attitude of "DON'T YELL AT PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY ARE BAD" just screams like you are the victim of this kind of abuse from others who berate you. Seek assistance and be truthful about it. The right LS will show you the way.

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regardless of his level it doesn't change the fact that he is right and you are a douche