I'm bored when I heal because I need more complex DPS rotations

[MintnHoney]

There is absolutely no reason for them to change Healer design going forward since they don't cause queue issues like Tanks. That's why Tanks get so much attention.

Oh? So the instant queues for healers, while Tanks often end up waiting to get into a party (despite even being "in need" at the time), is indicative of queue issues related to tanks, is it?

[Supersnow845]

Oh? So the instant queues for healers, while Tanks often end up waiting to get into a party (despite even being "in need" at the time), is indicative of queue issues related to tanks, is it?

And the tank in need is because of a kink in the system meaning tanks are always checked first even if there is less healers so you can’t even use AIN as an example of need for tanks

Healers are still by far the least played role in casual content

[Renathras]

Sure, it can happen, I'll grant you that, but it's not exactly prevalent, is it? In my 10 years of playing on multiple DCs, I've only seen one passive-aggressive callout, and it was someone saying "not gg with you" after someone said "gg" at the end of a dungeon. I'm not sure why the threat of being bullied for not using your kit properly has to be a major consideration when it's not very prevalent at all.

It arguably is prevalent.

I think it's more an anecdotal thing, though. As someone else said, if you're a generally good player, you're less likely to see it. You'd have to run a bunch of content (random stuff, not stuff you pre-decided with friends) only healing and not casting any damage spells to see if it happens or not.

Oh? So the instant queues for healers, while Tanks often end up waiting to get into a party (despite even being "in need" at the time), is indicative of queue issues related to tanks, is it?

This is REALLY anecdotal stuff. I often que for things as the three roles, and I find tank ques instant in 4 and 8 man content, healer ques instant in 4 man and some 8 man content, and dps ques instant in 24 man content and sometimes 8 man content. Indeed, I did a lot of Pande normals on DPS or tanks since the healer ques were the longest when it was fresh content.

I've yet to wait in any que for more than 30 sec as a tank, and I've often had to wait that long on healer. So this idea that healer ques are all instant and tank ques aren't is really strange to me since tank ques have been instant every time I've done them. So I genuinely "Press X to doubt..." that tanks have these wait times that healers don't, since my experience has been the two as comparable in most respects with the difference being more on the party configurations of the content.

And the tank in need is because of a kink in the system meaning tanks are always checked first even if there is less healers so you can’t even use AIN as an example of need for tanks

Healers are still by far the least played role in casual content

Again, using what metric? What objective - that is, not anecdotal - metric do you have to support this position?

The Lucky Bancho numbers go both ways, and are unofficial, and we have...literally nothing else to go by. In general, that is, across all types of MMO and MMO-like games, tanks are the least played role, though it's close enough that the two can sometimes be roughly comparable in games. Further, you specifically said "by far the least played", which I highly doubt. I doubt that healers are less played than tanks in general, mind you, but I suspect that if healers are less played, it's by a small margin.

Especially since you said "in casual content", which is the content where people (casual players) seem to actually enjoy the role. If you meant "healer is by far the least played role by high end players in casual content", that might be more accurate. Though I'd still question the "by far" of that statement.

But in general casual content played by casual players? Casual players seem to like healers right now since they're very veg friendly.

[Aravell]

It arguably is prevalent.

I think it's more an anecdotal thing, though. As someone else said, if you're a generally good player, you're less likely to see it. You'd have to run a bunch of content (random stuff, not stuff you pre-decided with friends) only healing and not casting any damage spells to see if it happens or not.

Since all we have is anecdotes, how can you say with any certainty that it is prevalent? And if it is that common, you'd expect to see more people complain about being called out. Your only basis that it is prevalent is from your own experiences and one other person's experiences, so can we really say with certainty that it's one way or another? And if there's no certainty to the claim that bullying for being suboptimal is prevalent, then why should there be major consideration for it in job design?

[Sebazy]

This is REALLY anecdotal stuff.

And this is precisely why you are viewed as a complete joke.,

When was the last time you actually backed up your various overly long diatribes with actual facts?

Was it actually the 1T1H2DPS thread that you got completely wrong but still tried to double down on? That certainly worked out well didn't it.

You have absolutely *ZERO* right to hand wave off other peoples views as anecdotal given that's *ALL YOU EVER DO YOURSELF*

One day you'll realise, I only hope I'm there to see it.

[Supersnow845]

And this is precisely why you are viewed as a complete joke.,

When was the last time you actually backed up your various overly long diatribes with actual facts?

Was it actually the 1T1H2DPS thread that you got completely wrong but still tried to double down on? That certainly worked out well didn't it.

You have absolutely *ZERO* right to hand wave off other peoples views as anecdotal given that's *ALL YOU EVER DO YOURSELF*

One day you'll realise, I only hope I'm there to see it.

I’ve worse I’ve had him throw survey evidence in the trash I’ve provided because he says since it’s outdated then in the same sentence attempt to counter said evidence with anecdotes and act like it’s a valid equivalent refutal