Manderville Relic Criticism

[Monokhrom]

I feel like what they’re doing with the Manderville weapons might just be SE's attempt at future proofing a relic. Maybe it’s just a Materia thing, but Bozja and Eureka are very much dead here. This isn’t to say it’s a good attempt, but it’s the best I can come up with for why it’s the way it is.

[Supersnow845]

I feel like what they’re doing with the Manderville weapons might just be SE's attempt at future proofing a relic. Maybe it’s just a Materia thing, but Bozja and Eureka are very much dead here. This isn’t to say it’s a good attempt, but it’s the best I can come up with for why it’s the way it is.

I honestly gave up on materia after giving it my best for almost as long as the data centre has existed, I moved back to jenova today, I’ve kinda come to realise that materia’s population may have been sustainable if they managed to hold onto the launch EW crowds but as it stands if 7.0 doesn’t reach the highs of EW then materia is going to be constantly starved of people, you can’t expect vets to stay when you never get any above 60 content and you have to PF the eden normal raids in prime time

As for the relic I doubt square even acknowledges materia exists anymore, it feels like it was basically a publicity stunt for them on the back of EW; I certainly don’t think it affected the relic design, especially since while materia is dead for field content it’s not hard to do anima and zeta on materia since they nerfed them into fate and poetic grinds

[Arohk]

I honestly gave up on materia after giving it my best for almost as long as the data centre has existed, I moved back to jenova today, I’ve kinda come to realise that materia’s population may have been sustainable if they managed to hold onto the launch EW crowds but as it stands if 7.0 doesn’t reach the highs of EW then materia is going to be constantly starved of people, you can’t expect vets to stay when you never get any above 60 content and you have to PF the eden normal raids in prime time

As for the relic I doubt square even acknowledges materia exists anymore, it feels like it was basically a publicity stunt for them on the back of EW; I certainly don’t think it affected the relic design, especially since while materia is dead for field content it’s not hard to do anima and zeta on materia since they nerfed them into fate and poetic grinds

That was my concern back then in Shadowbringers, i knew no one would run Delubrum anymore in the future, and even if you try to get those relic weapons now, you look forard to 85 runs of Delubrum or spend an eternity in Potd.
Bozja was still well visitet on Twintania last patch, i farmed all my missing stuff to get the Ikril mount and there were always enough people for it, but Delubrum is deader than dead.

[Silver-Strider]

That was my concern back then in Shadowbringers, i knew no one would run Delubrum anymore in the future, and even if you try to get those relic weapons now, you look forard to 85 runs of Delubrum or spend an eternity in Potd.
Bozja was still well visitet on Twintania last patch, i farmed all my missing stuff to get the Ikril mount and there were always enough people for it, but Delubrum is deader than dead.

They really should've thrown it into Alliance Raid Roulette. At least then, there would still be possible to complete it within a reasonable timeframe but I guess Lost Actions kind of makes it difficult to balance around.

[Absurdity]

They really should've thrown it into Alliance Raid Roulette. At least then, there would still be possible to complete it within a reasonable timeframe but I guess Lost Actions kind of makes it difficult to balance around.

I honestly think they should throw a reworked version of all the Bozja raids into the roulette and duty finder, they were by far the best thing about that zone, I'd even go as far as to call them the best "alliance" raids we currently have.

[Silver-Strider]

I honestly think they should throw a reworked version of all the Bozja raids into the roulette and duty finder, they were by far the best thing about that zone, I'd even go as far as to call them the best "alliance" raids we currently have.

I honestly wouldn't mind that at all.

[Remember_The_Name]

I honestly think they should throw a reworked version of all the Bozja raids into the roulette and duty finder, they were by far the best thing about that zone, I'd even go as far as to call them the best "alliance" raids we currently have.

That would have been their only saving grace. They are struggling to collect enough players to run and SE does an amazingly terrible job to make them popular again:

In 6.0 EW release, they, for some reason, added 10 minutes hard cap on DRN queue and the echo buff. And you know, that again, in reality, it ended up as nothing more then a buffer time for your PF party to visit bathroom and grab a drink. New unsuspecting players register for a duty, only to get their rear handed back to them by the first boss. The only way is still good ol' Party Finder.

In 6.1 patch they "increased" EXP reward from CLL and Dal, but, in reality, you still can amass the same amount of EXP by simply running skirms with no risk. The reward buff did absolutely nothing. Thankfully, over time, players trickled back into Bozja and you have some chance of having a group during peak online hours.

While I have fun running Party Finder, I understand that it should be a temporary solution until the ultimate fix of the system. When "story mode" duty that is also bottlenecking the whole relic weapon progression is locked behind PF, this is bad design.

This is so disappointing that SE shows next to no care about Bozja. We have Challenge Log, Duty Roulette and other ways to make Duties popular, but so far... no movement whatsoever. Current weekly missions for Bozja raids are a joke.

[ForsakenRoe]

Knowing that solo instances have a “very easy” mode haunts me daily, the base mode is very easy, what does very easy mode even do, the boss just walks up to you and keels over or something

to my knowledge, it allows you to literally afk in the Hien instance at the end of SB, as the other NPCs whittle the enemy's HP to zero, you only have to interact with the game when it comes to the enforced 'stack with ally to save them' bit

actually idk if this is even on very easy mode, might be normal for all I know

I feel like what they’re doing with the Manderville weapons might just be SE's attempt at future proofing a relic. Maybe it’s just a Materia thing, but Bozja and Eureka are very much dead here. This isn’t to say it’s a good attempt, but it’s the best I can come up with for why it’s the way it is.

Their 'solution' will probably be to just say 'oh if you can't get groups for stuff, use cross-DC travel' when it comes out and lets us go between regions (if Materia's not already connected to JP)

[Supersnow845]

to my knowledge, it allows you to literally afk in the Hien instance at the end of SB, as the other NPCs whittle the enemy's HP to zero, you only have to interact with the game when it comes to the enforced 'stack with ally to save them' bit



Their 'solution' will probably be to just say 'oh if you can't get groups for stuff, use cross-DC travel' when it comes out and lets us go between regions (if Materia's not already connected to JP)

Materia is stuck either way there, NA is probably too far (unless they can do cross DC between all 4) and JP doesn’t want them because the reason they released materia was to get English speaking people off JP anyway