The bigotry of low expectations

[LilimoLimomo]

My heart genuinely goes out to anyone who misses the way SMN used to be, because I know it sucks to lose something you love.

That said, I know a bunch of people (myself included) who now love to play SMN because of the changes. I didn't like the way SMN was before, because managing DoT's and the other stuff it was doing just didn't feel like an FF Summoner to me. Now SMN is regularly summoning a variety of Summons, and I love the way it feels to play.

It is most definitely a very easy class with a very straightforward rotation now, but I don't think that's a bad thing. In the same way that I think it's great that BLM exists for the players who want a more challenging experience, I think it's great for there to be classes that are baby-easy for players that would prefer less of a challenge. I think it's great that players with different preferences and different skill levels can enjoy playing the same content together.

Again, my most sincere condolences to those who loved SMN before the rework. It would have been cool if we could have still had new SMN without taking old SMN away from them. I hope folks have managed to find the engagement they lost in other classes.

[Striker44]

Not new tbh that people have extremely low expectations, and its understandable with how mediocre things have been especially during EW

Personal opinion masquerading as fact? Check.

Hint: This forum has been a negative echo chamber since the game began.

[OdinelStarrei]

Personal opinion masquerading as fact? Check.

Hint: This forum has been a negative echo chamber since the game began.

I think I know what the hint is for!

You know how ARR only existed because 1.0 was complete trash, and we had the forum having tons of negative feedback, the devs listened and we got a good game after?

Well, if it worked back then, it can work again! We just need more negative feedback!

My heart genuinely goes out to anyone who misses the way SMN used to be, because I know it sucks to lose something you love.

That said, I know a bunch of people (myself included) who now love to play SMN because of the changes. I didn't like the way SMN was before, because managing DoT's and the other stuff it was doing just didn't feel like an FF Summoner to me. Now SMN is regularly summoning a variety of Summons, and I love the way it feels to play.

It is most definitely a very easy class with a very straightforward rotation now, but I don't think that's a bad thing. In the same way that I think it's great that BLM exists for the players who want a more challenging experience, I think it's great for there to be classes that are baby-easy for players that would prefer less of a challenge. I think it's great that players with different preferences and different skill levels can enjoy playing the same content together.

Again, my most sincere condolences to those who loved SMN before the rework. It would have been cool if we could have still had new SMN without taking old SMN away from them. I hope folks have managed to find the engagement they lost in other classes.

The stark comparison in tone is plain here.

Aren't you pleasant, in comparison to the usual dismissive malaise.

You do understand the premise of things. So many things taken away from us, too many to count, and replaced with things are a pale imitation of what we had before, if they are even deigned worthy of being brought forward at all. What a waste!

The coolest part about throwing away babies with the bathwater over and over again, is that as long as you just bring in more babies who don't remember being tossed out a window, the status quo remains the same and we're all yelling in the back alley void.

Our biggest mistake was trusting CBUIII, naive fools all around. Maybe next expansion the old Summoners can get a job they actually want to play! Like the old healers got Sage, or the old tanks got Gunbreaker! Hahahahaha!

[ZephyrMenodora]

Who cares about the tail clipping the armor? Most armors are like that.

Who cares about the relic being a tome grind? Anima weapon was like that.

Who cares about EW SMN being simplified? You also spammed ruin 3 in ShB

Isn't this a sad state of affairs when 90% of defenses of this game are now just "it was always like this"

Lol. Only the first complaint resonates with me.

[TheMightyMollusk]

I think I know what the hint is for!

You know how ARR only existed because 1.0 was complete trash, and we had the forum having tons of negative feedback, the devs listened and we got a good game after?

Well, if it worked back then, it can work again! We just need more negative feedback!

You'd also need it to be a critical and commercial failure so the shareholders will call for action. Money speaks louder than the forum ever will.

[Supersnow845]

You'd also need it to be a critical and commercial failure so the shareholders will call for action. Money speaks louder than the forum ever will.

This is basically why I stopped ranting on the forums a while ago and only just came back

The people who want genuine job design and fun classes/content to play are always going to be outnumbered by the overwhelming amount of people who see all four healers play the same way as the worst healer from the worst expansion for it (SB WHM) and all they think of is UWU cure 1 wings g-pose in il-mheg

[Heroman3003]

I think I know what the hint is for!

You know how ARR only existed because 1.0 was complete trash, and we had the forum having tons of negative feedback, the devs listened and we got a good game after?

Well, if it worked back then, it can work again! We just need more negative feedback!

I love the funny implication that forum feedback was the reason for it. Because reality is that it was massive negative critical response from both critics and audiences all over the whole of internet, as well as bad drops in playercounts that caused the need for rework. Now compare that situation to the now, when Shadowbringers and Endwalker (which in every way is just iteration on Shadowbringers designs) are probably the biggest the game has been, and generally is the most widely beloved MMO on the scene (with the Blizzard scandals staining WoW's reputation). It doesn't matter how terrible game is, because by every metric that matters, ShB was a success and EW, iteration on ShB's designs, was just as big of a success. Forum is probably the only place on internet that is actually negative about the game and as long as game continues to pull in giant crowds and big money, it doesn't matter what 'true fans' of forum want out of it. For better or for worse.

[OdinelStarrei]

You'd also need it to be a critical and commercial failure so the shareholders will call for action. Money speaks louder than the forum ever will.

I love the funny implication that forum feedback was the reason for it. Because reality is that it was massive negative critical response from both critics and audiences all over the whole of internet, as well as bad drops in playercounts that caused the need for rework. Now compare that situation to the now, when Shadowbringers and Endwalker (which in every way is just iteration on Shadowbringers designs) are probably the biggest the game has been, and generally is the most widely beloved MMO on the scene (with the Blizzard scandals staining WoW's reputation). It doesn't matter how terrible game is, because by every metric that matters, ShB was a success and EW, iteration on ShB's designs, was just as big of a success. Forum is probably the only place on internet that is actually negative about the game and as long as game continues to pull in giant crowds and big money, it doesn't matter what 'true fans' of forum want out of it. For better or for worse.

Both true! That's just what you tolerate as a minority player of a game that becomes incredibly popular. I'm sure those Fortnite: Save the World/Titanfall 2 people are just as mad about the equivalent Battle Royales, as a salient example. You, your FCs, and your friend groups will move on and be replaced as the game continues on. Sometimes you come back to see how things are, maybe, if you care enough. To fight against it is an exercise in futility, and overinvestment is a toxin. Such is the cycle of an MMO.

Don't get me wrong, I'm just here for the ride now, I'm not too into bearing a heavy cross on getting things changed or adjusted anymore, I did my part, and it's way too depressing for me.

[Jeeqbit]

I don't think we should have low expectations, just realistic expectations.

But keeping expectations low has the benefit of never disappointing you and sometimes surprising you, as opposed to having high expectations and constantly being disappointed and unhappy. Easier to just enjoy stuff rather than perpetually subjecting yourself to disappointment.

You know...I just realized something. I'm not your parents. You guys can get baited all you want. I just hope you remember that when over half of the first page is troll threads...you asked for it.

At least half of them are interesting topics though. Occasionally just amusing. Doesn't really matter what the intentions of the poster are if it ends up being a good discussion.

[Kozh]

But keeping expectations low has the benefit of never disappointing you and sometimes surprising you, as opposed to having high expectations and constantly being disappointed and unhappy. Easier to just enjoy stuff rather than perpetually subjecting yourself to disappointment.

This has been my principle since forever, and one that I applied to ffxiv as well, especially in EW. But damn, I'm surprised that they manage to beat my expectation. I was coping that this relic step will at the very least won't use tome grind again.. joke's on me.