This game...

[Stormpeaks]

The blacklist literally prevents interaction with that person. It does what it intends to do. If you do not want to share a screen with them, leave.
Do they HAVE to magically disappear from your screen? No. Like I previously said and is ignored, they have as much right to stand or wander in any open area as you.

ok bro

i aint arguing with someone who thinks stalking is okay

adios

[LianaThorne]

The blacklist literally prevents interaction with that person. It does what it intends to do. If you do not want to share a screen with them, leave.
Do they HAVE to magically disappear from your screen? No. Like I previously said and is ignored, they have as much right to stand or wander in any open area as you.

As someone who had a person blacklisted and they still managed to follow me around the game while I was doing MSQ, spam me with slap emotes and even go so far as to take on the appearance and name of my original character (after I changed both to try to throw them off) and proceed to harass my friends....the blacklist only prevents messages being exchanged. It absolutely doesn't prevent stalking/harassment/interaction taking place in other forms.

Yeah, person can stand there but it's pretty common courtesy to not just send a random person a creepy message because you're speeding on a red bull and trying to use a disorder as an excuse for the behavior. Speaking as someone who has one, it's not acceptable.

[tsuchii]

ok bro

i aint arguing with someone who thinks stalking is okay

adios

I NEVER said stalking is OKAY. Stop putting things in my mouth. I simply did not believe this counts as serious as "stalking". Be careful what you accuse people of.

Ending an argument because you have no more points to counter it. Sure.

The OP was never in any danger or harassment nor the person had intention to harm or harass (basing on that one DM). It borders discomfort depending on who receives that DM but that is not stalking. It is weird but that is not stalking.
Repeating my first post, I HATE to be that guy - but labeling that interaction as stalking is overreaction.

The other post asked me if I was in that situation, I would just simply blacklist and move on.
If you do not want messages from someone, blacklist them. If you do not want to share a screen with a character, leave. The blacklist system works as intended. There is no reason to be overdramatic in this specific situation.

Let me just quote Stalking as defined by the Support Centre itself:
https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...la=1&kid=68216

It is prohibited to stalk a player as described in the following examples. If a report has been filed and the prohibited activity is confirmed, a penalty will be issued.

- Persistently moving to locations where someone is, despite being asked to stop the behavior.
- Persistently sending messages to someone, or directed at someone, through Tell or other means, despite being asked to stop the behavior.
- Ambushing someone at their destination, or their housing estate, despite being asked to stop the behavior.
- Persistently sending a friend or party request despite being asked to stop the behavior.
- Creating new characters to message someone who has blacklisted you, despite being asked to stop the behavior.
- Attempting to make contact in-game with someone despite official authorities forbidding contact with them in real-life.

* The act of following someone around in a specific situation/area is considered "improper following" and is explained in the Obstruction of Play section below.

Should the details described in a report be determined as "stalking activity," the stalking player will be penalized, and we may contact the victim and obtain their consent to issue an in-game restraining order. Should we confirm that a player has attempted to contact the victim through any means after being issued an in-game restraining order, a more severe penalty will be imposed.

[Stormpeaks]

That's why I'm hardly on here anymore tbh/on a half-break from the game as a whole. My general sanity is doing better. Prob will take a peek at 6.45 but doubtful it's gonna drag me back in full time till 7.0.

Doubt it too tbh, I am still happy with my houses and with my friends but that's pretty much it on my side

also @the above post, not going to respond, I dont talk to people thinking stalking is okay, the only point I will respond to is the blacklist point, blacklist does nothing to help stalking buddy, and you shouldnt have to leave every 30 seconds because a person is following you, which is what the person was doing to the OP, even cross datacenter.

Like in the post with pedophilia

S T O P
D E F E N D I N G
S T A L K I N G

"it's just a game" or "just leave" doesnt work when a person is following you and stalking you.

Done with you now though, no point arguing further, that was the last time I responded to you in this thread.

[tsuchii]

As someone who had a person blacklisted and they still managed to follow me around the game while I was doing MSQ, spam me with slap emotes and even go so far as to take on the appearance and name of my original character (after I changed both to try to throw them off) and proceed to harass my friends....the blacklist only prevents messages being exchanged. It absolutely doesn't prevent stalking/harassment/interaction taking place in other forms.

Yeah, person can stand there but it's pretty common courtesy to not just send a random person a creepy message because you're speeding on a red bull and trying to use a disorder as an excuse for the behavior. Speaking as someone who has one, it's not acceptable.

That is two completely different situations - and definitely 100% harassment - and you should report.

Spam slapping and following you at MSQ - that's a different story.

・Obscene/Indecent Expressions
Key Points
In general, all expressions of an obscene/indecent nature are prohibited. If a report has been filed and the prohibited activity is confirmed, a penalty will be issued.

This applies to not only text-based expressions such as chat but also to expressions that use emotes and or character movements in ways that are sexually explicit.

- Examples of violations that use character motions
- Using a combination of emotes and motions to mimic grinding against another character
- Using movements that are evocative of sexual activities

[Carin-Eri]

Depends on how you do it. I'll plant myself near an Aetheryte and shout that I'm giving away items to new players (though I've also given them to not so new players that have asked). That way it's up to the player to approach me if they want rather than me intruding when they prefer to be left alone.

I will say if multiple players have been bothered by your style of gift-giving, you probably would heard from a GM by now. Even if you're technically not doing something wrong, they'll contact a player if they get enough reports and suggest trying a different approach.

Yeah - I mean, the only time I do this is when I'm at one of the starting point areas. I generally just initiate a trade and drop them a quick PM with a simple "welcome to the game" and explain that the food item is a little EXP boost to use in battle or that the minion is one I already have. If they respond, great - if not, that's fine too. I don't generally hang around afterward.

So I've generally assumed that, so long as I'm not pushy about it, it's acceptable.

[tsuchii]

Doubt it too tbh, I am still happy with my houses and with my friends but that's pretty much it on my side

also @the above post, not going to respond, I dont talk to people thinking stalking is okay, the only point I will respond to is the blacklist point, blacklist does nothing to help stalking buddy, and you shouldnt have to leave every 30 seconds because a person is following you, which is what the person was doing to the OP, even cross datacenter.

Like in the post with pedophilia

S T O P
D E F E N D I N G
S T A L K I N G

"it's just a game" or "just leave" doesnt work when a person is following you and stalking you.

Done with you now though, no point arguing further, that was the last time I responded to you in this thread.

Except you keep claiming I am okay with stalking - which is false.
I simply said, this interaction was not - and is overreaction.

It's one thing you end an argument because you have no more points and it is another when you putting things in people's mouths. I never said I am okay with stalking.
It's awful - but again - hate to be this guy - the interaction here was an overreaction calling it as serious as stalking.
How many times do I have to repeat myself?

[IkaraGreydancer]

Except you keep claiming I am okay with stalking - which is false.
I simply said, this interaction was not - and is overreaction.

It's one thing you end an argument because you have no more points and it is another when you putting things in people's mouths. I never said I am okay with stalking.
It's awful - but again - hate to be this guy - the interaction here was an overreaction calling it as serious as stalking.
How many times do I have to repeat myself?

What part of people don't like being followed do you not get? Have you never been stalked before? The tell itself made it clear what the person was on and yet you call it an "overreaction". Blacklisting stops tells, it doesn't stop people. I've done the same and have had folks still around my house when I went there (thank christ those weirdos left the DC). Did they mess up my gameplay? No. Did they make me uncomfortable due to following me? Yes and so they get reported for following me ie, stalking. Same here.

Anyone defending this crap or minimizing what's going on either needs help, is mad weird, ignorant or probably participates in this activity. It is wrong. Period.

[LianaThorne]

That is two completely different situations - and definitely 100% harassment - and you should report.

Spam slapping and following you at MSQ - that's a different story.

・Obscene/Indecent Expressions
Key Points
In general, all expressions of an obscene/indecent nature are prohibited. If a report has been filed and the prohibited activity is confirmed, a penalty will be issued.

This applies to not only text-based expressions such as chat but also to expressions that use emotes and or character movements in ways that are sexually explicit.

- Examples of violations that use character motions
- Using a combination of emotes and motions to mimic grinding against another character
- Using movements that are evocative of sexual activities

I did report and get them perma-banned (have confirmation from a friend of a friend).

My point is that the blacklist system we have is utterly useless at doing anything other than preventing conversation. It does nothing else. OP could blacklist them and they could still follow them around the map without any ability to stop it if a GM doesn't get involved (since the person in their post literally did that and said they wanted to watch them). So, saying that blacklist prevents interaction from happening is completely false as the person wanting to engage with you can do so freely in other methods. I remember one thread on here where someone was stalking and harassing an FC for months and the GMs did nothing about it when reported.

A blacklist should hide you from the other person and prevent any form of lookup so they can't find you. Point blank period.

It is completely ridiculous that this game has so many ways to encourage stalking (lodestone links that don't change, blacklist that is more of a mute button than a blacklist, how you aren't removed from the other person's friends list when you remove them, etc.) and they have it like that for the sake of "not hurting the other person's feelings". Utter garbage. If you're being a creep your feelings are irrelevant.

[Zebraoracle]

The blacklist literally prevents interaction with that person. It does what it intends to do. If you do not want to share a screen with them, leave.
Do they HAVE to magically disappear from your screen? No. Like I previously said and is ignored, they have as much right to stand or wander in any open area as you.

Did you miss the part where OP LITERALLY LEFT AREAS and the person followed them?