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[LianaThorne]

So what exactly is your solution? What solution can we come up with that does not require redoing how BL works which is something they have states not wanting to do. Or cannot be easily abused such as making following / staring punishable offense.

They said they wouldn't change how housing works and now we have Island Sanctuary and the lottery. If they can change one thing they said they wouldn't they can change this too.

I already said what my solution would be: make it an actual blacklist. If you blacklist someone, they can't search for you or message you. They can't see your lodestone profile. It would at least help more than the broken system we have now that protects the harassers more than the victims.

[Bobby66]

They said they wouldn't change how housing works and now we have Island Sanctuary and the lottery. If they can change one thing, they can change this too.

First not sure what element of Island Sanctuary solves any housing issues. Isn't that one of the sore spots with IS? That it is not instance housing?

Lottery is also seen as a bandaid fix to the housing situation and a low effort one at that.

So your point is they should put in a low effort fix that really only pleases one subset of the community and is generally seen at best a meh idea to a shit situation at worse a complete and total failure.

The things in question that people are against can easily be abused if they became GM actionable. FFXIV GM's seem to operate on a binary did you break the ToS yes the punished. Punishing someone for following and staring is simply too vague and would be heavily abused. At the core this is what happened. BL would have stopped the reply from ever going through.

Following irl can be reported to the police. Stalking is stalking. Only real difference here is you can log off the game, but a person shouldnt have to do that hence why they report. The "it can be abused" defense doesn't work here really. There aren't a ton of folks reporting for stalking in this game. And to advocate for less folks to do so when they are being stalked makes no sense. You'd need to actually be doing something shady to even be considered a possible stalker by someone. Stuff like what OP posted is a clear example.

I don't often agree with Stormy but I'd 100% support some blacklist changes to curve many of these issues.

This is not IRL it is a video game. Come on we are gamers on the internet. First of are you telling me you cannot see someone blowing up and turning someone following them into something bigger then what it is?

I have even seen it IRL on a subway. Women calls out a man cause she felt a man was following her. Mind you this is late at night and everyone is heading to the ferry.

Police had to waste their time questioning this man and women because no matter what was said she felt she was being stalked.

What I am saying if something can be abused it will be end of story. Also.having a BL feature that makes a person disappear from the screen? Would it be disabled for things you can queue for?

[Carin-Eri]

You are literally one of the people that defended the dude saying he was a pedophile on Balmung in the middle of Uldah

Dont waste your time guys, not only this person supports pedophilia but obviously also stalking, feel free to check their responses in the thread about the pedophile.

That thread was deleted

[Bobby66]

Exactly what I said earlier, you condone pedophilia as long as it's done behind closed doors and somehow "no one is getting physically or emotionally abused"

what could go wrong ?

as for my suggestion for BL, they could only appear in duties and PF.

That probably would be extremely annoying to code don't you think? Where the person is not visible outside of certain actions? Does any game have a BL that functions that way?

English is not my native tongue how is saying what two consenting adults do behind closed doors, and if no one is physically or emotionally condoning pedophilia? What else are we to do police what everyone does behind closed doors just to be on the safe side? How many people would really want that?

Leaving that aside it is a sickness, yes a fine line between having the attraction and attacking on it. All I am saying is maybe just maybe if people were more understanding that this was was a sickness that needs treatment for more that suffer with it will come out willfully and seek help before it is too late.

You will still have those that are evil, but I do not believe everyone that suffers from said psycho sexual disorder is evil what i do feel is that they need help and support not scron and disdain.

Also that screen shot from the other thread was most likely some person trolling trying to get a reaction from people.

Not sure how that is defending it, remember their is a difference between having only the attraction and acting on it. Before that line is crossed they are still a human being and should be treated as such. Their should be a focus on getting the person help above all us before they cross that line.

[Bunnycake]

That probably would be extremely annoying to code don't you think? Where the person is not visible outside of certain actions? Does any game have a BL that functions that way?

English is not my native tongue how is saying what two consenting adults do behind closed doors, and if no one is physically or emotionally condoning pedophilia? What else are we to do police what everyone does behind closed doors just to be on the safe side? How many people would really want that?

Leaving that aside it is a sickness, yes a fine line between having the attraction and attacking on it. All I am saying is maybe just maybe if people were more understanding that this was was a sickness that needs treatment for more that suffer with it will come out willfully and seek help before it is too late.

You will still have those that are evil, but I do not believe everyone that suffers from said psycho sexual disorder is evil what i do feel is that they need help and support not scron and disdain.

Also that screen shot from the other thread was most likely some person trolling trying to get a reaction from people.

Not sure how that is defending it, remember their is a difference between having only the attraction and acting on it. Before that line is crossed they are still a human being and should be treated as such. Their should be a focus on getting the person help above all us before they cross that line.

Why would they be trolling with something so damn serious? You also jokingly told someone you were a pedo. Those consenting adults aren't right for having pedo convos like that. You said it's a game but people can still be affected by the things people say or do such as the stalking. Just because it's in game stalking doesn't mean the person because the character wouldn't feel violated. Christ, it's common sense.

[Bobby66]

Why would they be trolling with something so damn serious? You also jokingly told someone you were a pedo. Those consenting adults aren't right for having pedo convos like that. You said it's a game but people can still be affected by the things people say or do such as the stalking. Just because it's in game stalking doesn't mean the person because the character wouldn't feel violated. Christ, it's common sense.

So what exactly do you want to be done? Police every aspect of everyone's life? For the same reason you have people that call those that play lalafell pedos, or those that make dumb edgy jokes on social media people are weird.

Yes, I did jokingly told someone that kept calling me a pedo for playing lalafell and referred to anyone that played a lalafell as a creep. Many of us made light of a serious topic to get back at that person. Was it right? Meh idk but it was funny.

At the core maybe that is why they said it. Sure a person is behind the screen but to what extent should we go to protect the people behind the screen? Should the person that made that comment have their information released to the police by SE?

Should we have camera's in everyone's room irl to make sure no one is being harmed or abused? How else do you Police what two consenting adults do in private? Is that a world where people want to live?

Sure it is weird and not right, but it is not illgeal. I just so do not think we should go down the rabbit hole of passing judgment on people for potential harm cause we all have the potential to cause harm, and to really protect people from potential harm or uncomfortable situations we would have to establish more proactive measures which sadly are easier to abuse.

If the OP blacklisted the person the moment they felt uncomfortable they would have never gotten a chance to send them a message.

Let's be fair that is probably what the GM would have told them to BL them and move on. If they create a new character or bypass with emotes maybe then they would take further action.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Why would they be trolling with something so damn serious?

Considering one of the main recurring trolls around here has a habit of making threads about serious topics just to get people fighting, it's not really that outlandish, unfortunately.

[TheMightyMollusk]

yeah lets just ignore their point entirely because there is a 0.01% chance they might be Titanmen

How do we know you are not Titanmen yourself by the way ?

Sometimes I wonder if you actually missed the point, or just deliberately close your eyes while it flies by.

Anyway, this thread'll be locked and deleted soon, so I'm out.