This game...

[LianaThorne]

The blacklist literally prevents interaction with that person. It does what it intends to do. If you do not want to share a screen with them, leave.
Do they HAVE to magically disappear from your screen? No. Like I previously said and is ignored, they have as much right to stand or wander in any open area as you.

As someone who had a person blacklisted and they still managed to follow me around the game while I was doing MSQ, spam me with slap emotes and even go so far as to take on the appearance and name of my original character (after I changed both to try to throw them off) and proceed to harass my friends....the blacklist only prevents messages being exchanged. It absolutely doesn't prevent stalking/harassment/interaction taking place in other forms.

Yeah, person can stand there but it's pretty common courtesy to not just send a random person a creepy message because you're speeding on a red bull and trying to use a disorder as an excuse for the behavior. Speaking as someone who has one, it's not acceptable.

[tsuchii]

As someone who had a person blacklisted and they still managed to follow me around the game while I was doing MSQ, spam me with slap emotes and even go so far as to take on the appearance and name of my original character (after I changed both to try to throw them off) and proceed to harass my friends....the blacklist only prevents messages being exchanged. It absolutely doesn't prevent stalking/harassment/interaction taking place in other forms.

Yeah, person can stand there but it's pretty common courtesy to not just send a random person a creepy message because you're speeding on a red bull and trying to use a disorder as an excuse for the behavior. Speaking as someone who has one, it's not acceptable.

That is two completely different situations - and definitely 100% harassment - and you should report.

Spam slapping and following you at MSQ - that's a different story.

・Obscene/Indecent Expressions
Key Points
In general, all expressions of an obscene/indecent nature are prohibited. If a report has been filed and the prohibited activity is confirmed, a penalty will be issued.

This applies to not only text-based expressions such as chat but also to expressions that use emotes and or character movements in ways that are sexually explicit.

- Examples of violations that use character motions
- Using a combination of emotes and motions to mimic grinding against another character
- Using movements that are evocative of sexual activities

[LianaThorne]

That is two completely different situations - and definitely 100% harassment - and you should report.

Spam slapping and following you at MSQ - that's a different story.

・Obscene/Indecent Expressions
Key Points
In general, all expressions of an obscene/indecent nature are prohibited. If a report has been filed and the prohibited activity is confirmed, a penalty will be issued.

This applies to not only text-based expressions such as chat but also to expressions that use emotes and or character movements in ways that are sexually explicit.

- Examples of violations that use character motions
- Using a combination of emotes and motions to mimic grinding against another character
- Using movements that are evocative of sexual activities

I did report and get them perma-banned (have confirmation from a friend of a friend).

My point is that the blacklist system we have is utterly useless at doing anything other than preventing conversation. It does nothing else. OP could blacklist them and they could still follow them around the map without any ability to stop it if a GM doesn't get involved (since the person in their post literally did that and said they wanted to watch them). So, saying that blacklist prevents interaction from happening is completely false as the person wanting to engage with you can do so freely in other methods. I remember one thread on here where someone was stalking and harassing an FC for months and the GMs did nothing about it when reported.

A blacklist should hide you from the other person and prevent any form of lookup so they can't find you. Point blank period.

It is completely ridiculous that this game has so many ways to encourage stalking (lodestone links that don't change, blacklist that is more of a mute button than a blacklist, how you aren't removed from the other person's friends list when you remove them, etc.) and they have it like that for the sake of "not hurting the other person's feelings". Utter garbage. If you're being a creep your feelings are irrelevant.

[Stormpeaks]

That's why I'm hardly on here anymore tbh/on a half-break from the game as a whole. My general sanity is doing better. Prob will take a peek at 6.45 but doubtful it's gonna drag me back in full time till 7.0.

Doubt it too tbh, I am still happy with my houses and with my friends but that's pretty much it on my side

also @the above post, not going to respond, I dont talk to people thinking stalking is okay, the only point I will respond to is the blacklist point, blacklist does nothing to help stalking buddy, and you shouldnt have to leave every 30 seconds because a person is following you, which is what the person was doing to the OP, even cross datacenter.

Like in the post with pedophilia

S T O P
D E F E N D I N G
S T A L K I N G

"it's just a game" or "just leave" doesnt work when a person is following you and stalking you.

Done with you now though, no point arguing further, that was the last time I responded to you in this thread.

[tsuchii]

Doubt it too tbh, I am still happy with my houses and with my friends but that's pretty much it on my side

also @the above post, not going to respond, I dont talk to people thinking stalking is okay, the only point I will respond to is the blacklist point, blacklist does nothing to help stalking buddy, and you shouldnt have to leave every 30 seconds because a person is following you, which is what the person was doing to the OP, even cross datacenter.

Like in the post with pedophilia

S T O P
D E F E N D I N G
S T A L K I N G

"it's just a game" or "just leave" doesnt work when a person is following you and stalking you.

Done with you now though, no point arguing further, that was the last time I responded to you in this thread.

Except you keep claiming I am okay with stalking - which is false.
I simply said, this interaction was not - and is overreaction.

It's one thing you end an argument because you have no more points and it is another when you putting things in people's mouths. I never said I am okay with stalking.
It's awful - but again - hate to be this guy - the interaction here was an overreaction calling it as serious as stalking.
How many times do I have to repeat myself?

[IkaraGreydancer]

Except you keep claiming I am okay with stalking - which is false.
I simply said, this interaction was not - and is overreaction.

It's one thing you end an argument because you have no more points and it is another when you putting things in people's mouths. I never said I am okay with stalking.
It's awful - but again - hate to be this guy - the interaction here was an overreaction calling it as serious as stalking.
How many times do I have to repeat myself?

What part of people don't like being followed do you not get? Have you never been stalked before? The tell itself made it clear what the person was on and yet you call it an "overreaction". Blacklisting stops tells, it doesn't stop people. I've done the same and have had folks still around my house when I went there (thank christ those weirdos left the DC). Did they mess up my gameplay? No. Did they make me uncomfortable due to following me? Yes and so they get reported for following me ie, stalking. Same here.

Anyone defending this crap or minimizing what's going on either needs help, is mad weird, ignorant or probably participates in this activity. It is wrong. Period.

[LianaThorne]

Except you keep claiming I am okay with stalking - which is false.
I simply said, this interaction was not - and is overreaction.

It's one thing you end an argument because you have no more points and it is another when you putting things in people's mouths. I never said I am okay with stalking.
It's awful - but again - hate to be this guy - the interaction here was an overreaction calling it as serious as stalking.
How many times do I have to repeat myself?

If you aren't okay with it then stop defending someone who was showing signs of it. I don't know many people who wander up to someone, say they're having a mental health related issue and then ask to sit and watch them because they're pretty.

That is really creepy to me and gives off a lot of red flags. I wouldn't want someone I don't know just sitting and staring at me from a corner and following me around to perv on my character. Let's be real now, in my three years of being on FF I've had people compliment my character but it ends there. Asking to follow and watch them is taking it to another point entirely and honestly makes me think they had ulterior motives and might have been playing the game with one hand...if you get my drift.

[Bobby66]

If you aren't okay with it then stop defending someone who was showing signs of it. I don't know many people who wander up to someone, say they're having a mental health related issue and then ask to sit and watch them because they're pretty.

That is really creepy to me and gives off a lot of red flags. I wouldn't want someone I don't know just sitting and staring at me from a corner and following me around to perv on my character.

So what exactly is your solution? What solution can we come up with that does not require redoing how BL works which is something they have states not wanting to do. Or cannot be easily abused such as making following / staring punishable offense.

[LianaThorne]

So what exactly is your solution? What solution can we come up with that does not require redoing how BL works which is something they have states not wanting to do. Or cannot be easily abused such as making following / staring punishable offense.

They said they wouldn't change how housing works and now we have Island Sanctuary and the lottery. If they can change one thing they said they wouldn't they can change this too.

I already said what my solution would be: make it an actual blacklist. If you blacklist someone, they can't search for you or message you. They can't see your lodestone profile. It would at least help more than the broken system we have now that protects the harassers more than the victims.

[Bobby66]

They said they wouldn't change how housing works and now we have Island Sanctuary and the lottery. If they can change one thing, they can change this too.

First not sure what element of Island Sanctuary solves any housing issues. Isn't that one of the sore spots with IS? That it is not instance housing?

Lottery is also seen as a bandaid fix to the housing situation and a low effort one at that.

So your point is they should put in a low effort fix that really only pleases one subset of the community and is generally seen at best a meh idea to a shit situation at worse a complete and total failure.

The things in question that people are against can easily be abused if they became GM actionable. FFXIV GM's seem to operate on a binary did you break the ToS yes the punished. Punishing someone for following and staring is simply too vague and would be heavily abused. At the core this is what happened. BL would have stopped the reply from ever going through.

Following irl can be reported to the police. Stalking is stalking. Only real difference here is you can log off the game, but a person shouldnt have to do that hence why they report. The "it can be abused" defense doesn't work here really. There aren't a ton of folks reporting for stalking in this game. And to advocate for less folks to do so when they are being stalked makes no sense. You'd need to actually be doing something shady to even be considered a possible stalker by someone. Stuff like what OP posted is a clear example.

I don't often agree with Stormy but I'd 100% support some blacklist changes to curve many of these issues.

This is not IRL it is a video game. Come on we are gamers on the internet. First of are you telling me you cannot see someone blowing up and turning someone following them into something bigger then what it is?

I have even seen it IRL on a subway. Women calls out a man cause she felt a man was following her. Mind you this is late at night and everyone is heading to the ferry.

Police had to waste their time questioning this man and women because no matter what was said she felt she was being stalked.

What I am saying if something can be abused it will be end of story. Also.having a BL feature that makes a person disappear from the screen? Would it be disabled for things you can queue for?