I want to play *This* game

[Hurlstone]

This does feel a bit disingenuous though. A raid and MSQ chapters are not really anything new, as for IS, you might say that ranking it up is content (most people do that in like 3 weeks then enter maintenance mode) but to have this and Variant dungeons, a foray zone like Eureka or Bozja was given up, and those are zones that are still highly visited.

We got a deep dungeon this time around which is nice but this does feel a bit shallow.

Fair point. Like I said, I do think its right to question the amount and type of content we get. I would have loved a Bozja-like zone, as that was one of my favourite things EW added. Plus I do think that a better alternative could have been found then just handing in Tombstones for Relics. I just find the 'Its like maintenance mode' a little disingenuous myself, especially when such posts often ignore or belittle content such as IS/variant dungeons. There is a difference between meritocracy, and “the sky is falling”.

[Absimiliard]

Fair point. Like I said, I do think its right to question the amount and type of content we get. I would have loved a Bozja-like zone, as that was one of my favourite things EW added. Plus I do think that a better alternative could have been found then just handing in Tombstones for Relics. I just find the 'Its like maintenance mode' a little disingenuous myself, especially when such posts often ignore or belittle content such as IS/variant dungeons. There is a difference between meritocracy, and “the sky is falling”.

In fairness, variant dungeons failed to land for most of the playerbase. The lack of rewards essentially rendered them largely dead-on-arrival, with most people that took an interest ceasing to engage with the content after having seen all the routes and/or cleared the various difficulty levels. They had no staying power at all.

[Thurmnmurmn]

In fairness, variant dungeons failed to land for most of the playerbase. The lack of rewards essentially rendered them largely dead-on-arrival, with most people that took an interest ceasing to engage with the content after having seen all the routes and/or cleared the various difficulty levels. The had no staying power at all.

I would argue that variant didn't fail at all. I had a blast running it. The rewards was where the content fell short and why it doesn't have staying power. But the dungeon itself was very well received by most.

[Knot_D]

I have no idea who thought spreadsheets as content was fun but I have no interest in that design philosophy moving forward.

That's on you though. I'm still happy to generate my blue cowrie until it maxed out

[Absimiliard]

I would argue that variant didn't fail at all. I had a blast running it. The rewards was where the content fell short and why it doesn't have staying power. But the dungeon itself was very well received by most.

If people are unwilling to engage with the content, then it has failed. The rewards (or rather lack thereof) were part of that content and served as the primary reason it had no staying power.

[aveyond-dreams]

If people are unwilling to engage with the content, then it has failed. The rewards (or rather lack thereof) were part of that content and served as the primary reason it had no staying power.

Basically this. I have no idea why people insist on pushing content that no one cares to do anymore as if it's something still viable to do in game. Also seems a number of people do not understand that without decent rewards you're not going to convince people to do the content "for fun."

Instead of running Savage Criterion "for fun" most people would rather play another game entirely, where they can engage in some activity that...results in some manner of progression or reward.

[Thurmnmurmn]

Basically this. I have no idea why people insist on pushing content that no one cares to do anymore as if it's something still viable to do in game. Also seems a number of people do not understand that without decent rewards you're not going to convince people to do the content "for fun."

Instead of running Savage Criterion "for fun" most people would rather play another game entirely, where they can engage in some activity that...results in some manner of progression or reward.

I mean, that wasn't the purpose why I brought it up. Content can be fun but ultimately fail due to the lack of rewards. Does that mean they need to scrap the content all together? No they just need to add some rewards that people will actually like. See them build upon it instead of just dumping it.

I never insisted you should run it as it is now either so dunno where you got that from.

[Hurlstone]

In fairness, variant dungeons failed to land for most of the playerbase. The lack of rewards essentially rendered them largely dead-on-arrival, with most people that took an interest ceasing to engage with the content after having seen all the routes and/or cleared the various difficulty levels. They had no staying power at all.

Staying power is something that the game is weak on in many areas, depending on why one plays. Even things like new tribe quests can be done and dusted in a few weeks.

I mean, that wasn't the purpose why I brought it up. Content can be fun but ultimately fail due to the lack of rewards. Does that mean they need to scrap the content all together? No they just need to add some rewards that people will actually like. See them build upon it instead of just dumping it.

I never insisted you should run it as it is now either so dunno where you got that from.

I very much agree. I for one had a blast playing the dungeon, and I appreciate how its a different type of solo content/lore. The reward system is disappointing, but its something I hope that be improved in time. I like that its a new element that can be built upon over the coming years, so long as SE dose not just ignore it after 7.0.

[VirusOnline]

Endwalker objectively has like no content. I don't think that can even be contested at this point. That's probably the biggest issue here.

So just to be curious I wanted to compare SB to EW from release to the propspective release cycles. (This is in no particular order, feel free to correct me or tell me I forgot something, etc)



SB 4.0 - 4.36:

- SAM/RDM
- Shir Housing
- Savage
- 2 tier alliance raid
- 6 EX trials
- Eureka Anemos/Pagos -> weapon + glamour
- HoH
- Monster Hunter Collab
- Ultimate 1
- Ultimate 2
- 12 Dungeons
- PvP Update (Rival Wings)
- Canals of Uznair (Treasure Hunt)
- Beast Tribes
- Aquatic Voyage (housing)
- World Fates (think Ixion)
- Gold Saucer Update (Fashion Report)
- Glamour delivery NPCs
- Squadron System updated (now scrapped for Duty Support ?)
- CWLS System
- Performance ability
- Swimming/Diving/Underwater scapes
- Job gauges (rework of 2m meta began here ?)
- Additional EU servers
- UI Enhancement
- Duty Recorder



EW 6.0 - 6.38:

- Male Viera
- RPR/SGE
- Ishgard Housing
- Savage
- 2 tier alliance raid
- 5 EX trials
- Eureka Orthos DD
- Hildabrand Questline -> weapon
- Ultimate 1
- Ultimate 2
- 11 dungeons
- Pvp Update (Crystalline Conflict)
- Treasure Hunt
- Beast Tribes
- Island Sanctuary
- VC Dungeons
- Gold Saucer Updates (2 Mounts, Return of Garo w/ inclusion of new jobs, 1 new gate)
- Job role questlines -> unlocks dyeable Lv.89 class gear
- Protrait & Adventurer Plates beta & alpha
- NA DC
- Oceanic DC
- DC Travel (limited to region)
- Duty Support System Expansion (MSQ ARR -> EW dungeons now supported and is on continued backlogged WIP to 7.0)
- Dungeon redesigns
- Continued Support releases for Hrothgar/Viera (>.>")



Just a quick synthesis of this tells me that SE is subtly trying to revamp older content/provide possibly backlogged updates maybe ?
If so, it's not a bad thing either. Revamping older content/updating systems is important.

[Yuella]

I have an idea of a content that does not have an upper difficulty limit. Just have a content, it can be a dungeon or a raid, and you can set the difficulty from 1 to 100 or 1000 or 10000 or whatever. There's no upper limit. The devs don't have to test it because it's not meant to be beatable on release. Maybe players can beat maximum difficulty level 5 or 6 on release.

On the next even patch when the max ilevel goes up, players can start beating difficulty level 7 and 8. Then on the next even patch players can beat difficulty level 9 and 10. Beyond level 10 is not beatable until the next expansion. There is no level sync. When the next expansion is released, players can beat difficulty level 15 or 16.