Zepla about FFXIV Relic and Square Enix not taking any Risks

[ForteNightshade]

MrHappy said this??? That's incredibly surprising to me, I think that's actually the most scathing (as much as he can be that is) thing I've ever seen him say about the game.

It kind of goes to show the state of Endwalker when even he's criticising the expansion as a whole since his takes are usually more on the neutral side. Another good quote from his video is: "A lot of that probably wouldn't bother me and probably wouldn't bother other people as much if it didn't just feel like the game was just trying to get me off of the game." In reference to the divisive responses to content, by it both Ultimates, Abyssos' balancing issues, Island Sanctuary and Criterion. He brings up another good point that pretty much nothing this expansion has been a runaway hit. Everything has at least some hiccups or missteps.

[Stormpeaks]

It kind of goes to show the state of Endwalker when even he's criticising the expansion as a whole since his takes are usually more on the neutral side. Another good quote from his video is: "A lot of that probably wouldn't bother me and probably wouldn't bother other people as much if it didn't just feel like the game was just trying to get me off of the game." In reference to the divisive responses to content, by it both Ultimates, Abyssos' balancing issues, Island Sanctuary and Criterion. He brings up another good point that pretty much nothing this expansion has been a runaway hit. Everything has at least some hiccups or missteps.

Housing lottery 0 bug PTSD, the fact they actually managed to pull that one off is comical, absolutely 0 testing

[Ath192]

Housing lottery 0 bug PTSD, the fact they actually managed to pull that one off is comical, absolutely 0 testing

I can forgive this one. In fact I can forgive a ton of bugs if the changes they are trying out are innovative and engaging. Problem is we have gotten super milk toast changes and additions to the game it's easy to hate on them for everything.

I would rather a rough gem than a polished turd is all I'm saying xD To me, it's the recent design philosophy I truly hate.

[ForteNightshade]

It's like everyone has completely forgotten that games not named Final Fantasy 14 even exist. Instead of asking for infinite content here, which isn't even possible, play a different game while you wait for more content here.

This is such a tired and lazy "rebuttal". Nobody is asking for infinite content but rather for content to have some degree of longevity. People want a reason to log in and actually play the game. Speaking for myself, I played plenty of different games throughout Heavensward, Stormblood and Shadowbringers but I never felt I needed to, Covid delays notwithstanding. Endwalker, on the other hand, doesn't have enough content to last a week much less five months. Which is something that goes unacknowledged a fair bit here. The patch cycles have gone up a full month from Stomblood yet there is less lasting content.

[Nizzi]

This. Like I might agree with some of what she's saying, but she's still a well known streamer that doesn't actually speak for the entire playerbase.

Hey, I agree - people like MrHappy and Zepla do not speak for the entire playerbase. However, there's a problem with that line of thinking when they are the people within the "community" who have direct access to Yoshida to share their general feedback with the community and ask questions or interview him. You can go on both of their channels and see that they were both invited to the Endwalker media tours and both have had direct 1 on 1 interviews with Yoshida where they asked questions about the game, changes, concerns, etc and have had this kind of access to and rapport with Yoshida directly for years now.

So while it's easy to say "they don't represent the entire playerbase" because that is true, you should also take into consideration that the development team sees them as a face to the western communities and a good enough litmus of things that they have continually kept up with them. I even recall an interview where Yoshi-P said to Mr. Happy that he watches Mr. Happy's videos (whether or not this is true or just trying to make Mr. Happy feel good is anyone's guess, personally speaking I doubt he actually does since he's likely way too busy) so for all intents and purposes if MrHappy or Zepla is saying something, it is more likely that SE will pay attention and take note of it than they will for AngryGamer79 or PleasedPlayer61 on the forums for both sides of feedback.

[aveyond-dreams]

Let's not forget that when the expansion launched there were issues with...basic mathematics. Summoners losing dps during Phoenix phase, one of WHM's spells upgrading into a damage downgrade, etc.

FFXVI better be worth everything that FFXIV players have gone through.

[Ath192]

Let's not forget that when the expansion launched there were issues with...basic mathematics. Summoners losing dps during Phoenix phase, one of WHM's spells upgrading into a damage downgrade, etc.

FFXVI better be worth everything that FFXIV players have gone through.

Ugh, yeah but I don't have a PS5 so thats like a $480 game for me since I'm a PC gamer. Sucks. Still unsure if I'm getting all that, but I do want to support SE putting out M rated titles. Its the first mainline FF to be mature rated, and quite frankly, the fans of the franchise are mostly older people than teenagers at this point.

[jameseoakes]

This is such a tired and lazy "rebuttal". Nobody is asking for infinite content but rather for content to have some degree of longevity. People want a reason to log in and actually play the game. Speaking for myself, I played plenty of different games throughout Heavensward, Stormblood and Shadowbringers but I never felt I needed to, Covid delays notwithstanding. Endwalker, on the other hand, doesn't have enough content to last a week much less five months. Which is something that goes unacknowledged a fair bit here. The patch cycles have gone up a full month from Stomblood yet there is less lasting content.

Honestly I've been shocked just how entrenched the argument that one of the best things about the game is in fact how little content is being added is becoming

[Ath192]

Honestly I've been shocked just how entrenched the argument that one of the best things about the game is in fact how little content is being added is becoming

This is just a really dumb take people keep hanging on to in order to cope.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Honestly I've been shocked just how entrenched the argument that one of the best things about the game is in fact how little content is being added is becoming

I think you are misunderstanding. I think the point is generally 1. No game in existence is going to keep up with the appetite of gamers who play 7 days a week X hours a day. 2. There is a lot of content to be enjoyed, players just may not be interested in some or even most of it. That doesn't mean there is no content.

And yes, I do appreciate this game is easy to keep up in, so I can enjoy interests outside FFXIV without feeling so behind. Like in Lost Ark they complain about having so much "homework" as they call it, it's taking over their time and lives and it's unhealthy. There they complain about having too much repetitive content they have to do to keep up or risk being gatekept out of new content entirely by the other players.