Length MSQ from all the expansions - it is getting insane

[VelKallor]

And yet WoW without the story still is above FFXIV population wise

It is? Um...WOW doesnt release active sub numbers and hasnt done so for some years...so you cant quantify that or prove it.

, so obviously its not a failure, FFXIV struggling to retain players due to no content however... is a failure.

..and you know this...how?

BTW dont use STEAM or Twitch either.

Ah yes, dont use the things that are indicative of popluation for every other multiplayergame in existence... because uh... it would shatter VelKallors world

STEAM doesnt measure, as has been noted, console players nor those who play via the native launcher, NOR can it measure how many players have TWO accounts, one on PC one on STEAM, and then lets not also discuss those with MULTIPLE licenses..so no, STEAM isnt any form of valid, usable metric.

It might not show the entire numbers because the majority uses the SE edition, but it can still show a trend as to if its going up or down.

Come back with actual numbers, using STEAM as a statistical control group, then we can talk. Until you have the full dataset, using STEAM in this fashion is akin to using this forum as a metric for player attitudes and preferences...which is, and would be, utterly ludicrous. You do also know that PS4 and 5 players use the PSN Network..so unless you have numbers for THOSE as well....nope, your sample group isnt large enough to be viable.