Length MSQ from all the expansions - it is getting insane

[Stormpeaks]

I played all of every expac, had Loremaster. There is and was a huge story..simply because people rushed it, did the bare minimum to get to raiding isnt my concern.

It's almost like endgame content is actually what matters in WoW and not the story, crazy I know, literally a small minority cares about the story in wow, that's why everyone rushes to max level.

FFXIV on the other hand has a very strong toxic community of "story lovers" that will gladly spit on people buying skips and bully them (seen it both in game and on the forums as well). As I mentioned earlier, if the story was THAT popular in FFXIV, the boosts wouldnt exist.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

It's almost like endgame content is actually what matters in WoW and not the story, crazy I know, literally a small minority cares about the story in wow, that's why everyone rushes to max level.

FFXIV on the other hand has a very strong toxic community of "story lovers" that will gladly spit on people buying skips and bully them (seen it both in game and on the forums as well). As I mentioned earlier, if the story was THAT popular in FFXIV, the boosts wouldnt exist.

Well no...the skips are a means for people to level alts and not have to trek through the story.
And...I think the only people whod get Bullied for buying a Skip, are people like Quin who literally didnt understand or learn the game, just to get into endgame raiding, and looked stupid thinking it just functioned like WoW. Or basically people who didnt learn their jobs / Classes.

[Stormpeaks]

Well no...the skips are a means for people to level alts and not have to trek through the story.
And...I think the only people whod get Bullied for buying a Skip, are people like Quin who literally didnt understand or learn the game, just to get into endgame raiding, and looked stupid thinking it just functioned like WoW. Or basically people who didnt learn their jobs / Classes.

I have really high doubts that this many people are using alts in this game, obviously some do, like myself to have one character in one region and the other is a good example, but I am pretty convinced that people with alts are a minority, because there's not that much point to having them really, this amount of people wouldnt make MSQ boost top sale every week without fail

[VelKallor]

MSQ is far too easy and the endgame suffers because of this.

Endgame is NOT just "raiding", it can be whatever it is you want it to be, so i find this obsession with your idea of endgame somewhat annoying. The MSQ is fine as is, as has been stated REPEATEDLY, it is meant to be doable by a range of competencies, as it is not meant to be a brick wall for people to smash their heads on.

My endgame doesnt consist of ANY "high end raiding", nor does it need to be...I have plenty to do as it is. In this I share a lot of players attitudes, so again, "endgame" does not "suffer" at all.

FF 14 is not 'raid do m plus or pvp and if not GTFO"

its like graduating kindergarden and being expected to clear your finals.

What "finals"? What, if like so many others, we choose NOT to worry about Savage , Ex or uiltimate or whatever....where does that leave this sweeping generalisation? Or is this yet another "whats your excuse for not raiding" meme?

Endgame in FF 14 covers a wide range of activities...so what exactly is your point here?

Incidentally, please dont make the mistake the other guy made in assuming I choose not to raid high end because I cant, I can any time I want..I simply choose not to. Its a valid attitude to have, I play as others do as suits ME. One player on my server is a fishing nut and he is having a blast...so again, that kinda invalidates your premise.

The same goes for others. They play as suits them, when if and how they choose.

Player choice..a major component in MODERN gaming.

kindergarden

Kindergarten - from the German. The term dates back to the 19th century. Friedrich Froebel (1782-1852) started the first kindergarten, Garden of Children, in 1840.

The hand holding is the only issue i see here.

I dont see an issue at all. We disagree.

[Ishe-P]

I've been alting through the MSQ and I must say that a lot of it is really indulgent. I think a lot of the set pieces worked in their time but the 'go here, talk to someone, go back to where you came from and talk to someone else' formula is by far the most played out thing they could offer. Even when I tried to psych myself up for the big midpoint turn in HW I just ended up skipping a whole lot of it because it insists on breaking its own ankles with its poor pacing. I understand that talking to people is important to drive a story, but they could have made it more fun at least.

Also, even when hammering the escape key constantly, it still takes quite a few hours to get thru the content. It's really something. And I don't think it would stand out so bad IF there were cool things to do from one quest to the next. The order of the day is one of 3 possibilities only: 1) just talk to the next guy in line. 2) Kill 3 mobs and return to me. 3) Gather 3 items, either from the land or from mobs, then come back to me. It's kind of crap, and as a long time player I would love to see them shake things up a little bit. There's GOTTA be something more you can ask players to do.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I've been alting through the MSQ and I must say that a lot of it is really indulgent. I think a lot of the set pieces worked in their time but the 'go here, talk to someone, go back to where you came from and talk to someone else' formula is by far the most played out thing they could offer. Even when I tried to psych myself up for the big midpoint turn in HW I just ended up skipping a whole lot of it because it insists on breaking its own ankles with its poor pacing. I understand that talking to people is important to drive a story, but they could have made it more fun at least.

Also, even when hammering the escape key constantly, it still takes quite a few hours to get thru the content. It's really something. And I don't think it would stand out so bad IF there were cool things to do from one quest to the next. The order of the day is one of 3 possibilities only: 1) just talk to the next guy in line. 2) Kill 3 mobs and return to me. 3) Gather 3 items, either from the land or from mobs, then come back to me. It's kind of crap, and as a long time player I would love to see them shake things up a little bit. There's GOTTA be something more you can ask players to do.

Its sadly not something thats really going to change.
Every MMO in existence does this.

[Ishe-P]

Its sadly not something thats really going to change.
Every MMO in existence does this.

I somewhat agree, but also think that these objectives can be masked. Give me a tank to drive around in and blow up 3 mobs with. Allow me to play red-light green-light with some big badass elite mob when plucking seaweed or whatever from the Tempest Floor. Take more risks like that Unknown Soldier duty in Garlemald that made people mad because it was too hard. In the end, yes, you're still gathering or talking or whatever, but your character has more 'agency' in shaping the story and their place in it. Otherwise it's just reading the page of a book, waiting 5 minutes or so, then reading the next page, with no fluctuation or intrigue whatsoever, only being told that it's important that we continue. Other games do this stuff, they should borrow from them!

[Rolder50]

Its sadly not something thats really going to change.
Every MMO in existence does this.

Other MMOs get around this problem by just not having the story be a mandatory part of the experience.

For example, as I am typing this, I'm leveling an alt in WoW purely by doing dungeons. Pretty sure I've only done half a dozen quests.

[VelKallor]

It's almost like endgame content is actually what matters in WoW and not the story, crazy I know, literally a small minority cares about the story in wow, that's why everyone rushes to max level.

And therein lies their biggest failure.

FFXIV on the other hand has a very strong toxic community of "story lovers" that will gladly spit on people buying skips

Never done that. I have tried to dissuade people, true, but if they want to skip thats their lookout, from my POV they wont know what they are doing or why. They can go ahead and buy a skip, but as I have said before, I have also spoken to many who did do just that...and regretted it later.

We all choose how we want to play. If asked I will give my opinion, if not, its their call. Personally, I think a new player getting a story skip is kinda a huge mistake..but Ive never bullied anyone.

Disagreed if asked, yes. If not, its their decision.

and bully them (seen it both in game and on the forums as well). As I mentioned earlier, if the story was THAT popular in FFXIV, the boosts wouldnt exist.

On your server, maybe, but you dont speak for the attitudes and actions of people elsewhere. I play on Elemental, the mindset there is a huge disparity with NA. I like it there. What you see on one server does not necessarily recur on servers you have never been to.

Never assume what you see is the norm everywhere.

it isnt.

[Shinkuno]

And therein lies their biggest failure.

20 years and still biggest mmo

biggest failure btw

you are so detached from reality lol