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    Quote Originally Posted by WaxSw View Post
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    Because "anecdote is not data".

    Top comment is irrelevant since it could just mean people dissatisfied are all upvoting each other while people satisfied are not. So votes aren't what count. What counts our the individual people responding.

    If 5 people say they're dissatisfied, 10 people say they're satisfied, but each of those 5 dissatisfied posts has 5 upvote and each of the other 10 has only 1-2, that doesn't mean there are more dissatisfied people. It just means the dissatisfied people are more willing to promote their own view when they see it expressed by others. Right now, on the FFXIV (not the FFXIVDiscussion) thread, which I just finished getting through on Q1 (been busy with some irl stuff, so just doing it a bit here and there), the tally is:

    Dissatisfied (Includes Very) 13
    Very Dissatisfied 5
    Satisfied (Includes Very) 19
    Very Satisfied 5
    Neutral Satisfaction 6
    Total Responses: 38
    [Note: This is just the FFXIV main subreddit, not the FFXIVDiscussion one, which seems to have more responses. Getting to that one...]

    WHM is the most liked (9) with SGE second most (7), AST is a surprising third (6), and SCH is dead last (2)

    I'm working through the other parsing stuff that I'm coming up with based on responses, but so far:

    (8) want more DPS spells, but (2) want only situational ones, and (1) wanted ONLY one more per healer.
    (1) wanted more healing spells, (2) wanted less, (2) wanted less oGCDs/healing plan focus
    (2) wanted more Support spells
    (2) dislike Energy Drain
    (2) want more random healing (e.g. mini-tankbusters on DPS, unavoidable consistent raid damage)

    These ARE NOT final numbers, as some others that I read said similar things before I got the categories written out (I'm developing sub-categories based on what I see a lot of people saying or when people say very specific things that make good data points, such as people saying they want more OR less healing abilities or more damage ones, etc), so I'm trying to work out a good way to capture all those views, then I'll go through the posts again and see if any were missed on the initial pass that fall into them.

    The FFXIVDiscussion side of the house might be more negative, but a lot of them are very nuanced as well, and there are more of them. But I think I have the basic system down I'm going to use to score these going forward.

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    EDIT:
    Quote Originally Posted by WaxSw View Post
    There is no point to do a survey if all you're going to do is try to confirm an uneducated bias. There are issues with the encounters, I'm not denying that, but if the same problems are present from the most casual to the most hardcore of contents that encounter design is neither the only cause nor the main cause of those problems, that is job design which is the only constant.
    Also:

    THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING.

    I'm trying to be fair. You're using "well, the most upvoted post agrees with me, therefore it's what the majority wants!"

    I've said it before and I'll say it again: Upvotes/downvotes ON THE INTERNET are the least useful, least trustworthy, least scientific method for determining what people actually think. People who have a strong opinion, especially strong dislike, are HIGHLY motivated to vote for responses similar to their own to get them more visibility.

    But there's no way to tell of that upvote is from a person who posted further down if they're dissatisfied or not. If I count the upvote AND their post, I'd be counting them TWICE. There's no way to know if people are upvoting and posting, just upvoting, or just posting (which gives your own post one upvote automatically), so the vote system is completely useless to get a scientifically/statistically accurate measurement.

    That's why I'm going post by post.

    THAT is how you AVOID "try to confirm an uneducated bias".

    The way to see what everyone thinks is to tabulate all the results, not to let dozens of people speak and then only listen to the two or three posts that are upvoted to the top.
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    Last edited by Renathras; 03-20-2023 at 11:12 AM. Reason: Marked with EDIT