The current state of the "MMORPG" FFXIV is unsustainable. Here's why

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Its 8 players, if the game cant find 8 players for CURRENT CONTENT, im sorry but then the game just failed in that regard

Yes, at 7am in the morning on a weekend when people are sleeping, during the tail end of a patch. It's always been like this. Always.

[Raven2014]

Yes, at 7am in the morning on a weekend when people are sleeping, during the tail end of a patch. It's always been like this. Always.

That's the only reason that matter. No matter the content type or where you are in the patch cycle, death hours are death hours. Frontline will pop in less than 3min for most of the day, but even that will give you 30min+ queue if you queue during death hours.

The posters you're responding are ignoring that fact in every single one of their reply. We can safely conclude they're not conducting the discussion in good faith, not even trying.

What are you even talking about, you can still queue up for current content and get people in (with not that long of a wait time, I may add). Are we just fibbing now for the sake of backing up our points?

Just now? You think?

[AwesomeJr44]

The posters you're responding are ignoring that fact in every single one of their reply.

You make wild assumptions and ignore facts in pretty much every post you make. Pot, meet kettle.

[Raven2014]

You make wild assumptions and ignore facts in pretty much every post you make. Pot, meet kettle.

Ohhh, look like I got a fan.

In case you missed it, post #116 on this thread. I would call that fact, relevant fact to the current discussion.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Just now? You think?

I dont want to start accusing people of things I may not know, but my only backing of me calling this out is because I do actually play this game regularly....with 3 ENDGAME ALTS and I dont ever run into queuing issues for content I need. And even if I do, I just make a PF for it and happen to get like-minded people or folks whom want to do their good deed for the day. So these complaints feel more like lies to me.

[Raven2014]

So these complaints feel more like lies to me.

Because they are. It's just in this case it's more blatant then usual. #112 posted a picture as the evidence of the content being dead by queuing in death-hour, and despite multiple response including a counter screenshot in #116. But despite that they still make their talking point presented by #112 despite all the contrary.

In a way it mirror perfectly the fake new culture in real life politic

[Shinkuno]

Yes, at 7am in the morning on a weekend when people are sleeping, during the tail end of a patch. It's always been like this. Always.

I can queue up LFR in WoW at 2am and find 20 other people, and thats content people really much do once a week for gear.

All i hear is excuses for dead content

[Atelier-Bagur]

I can queue up LFR in WoW at 2am and find 20 other people, and thats content people really much do once a week for gear.

All i hear is excuses for dead content

doesnt like WoW have more players than FFXIV anyway? I know they dont release their sub numbers but I always assumed that even during its low point in Shadowbringersland they still managed to retain a good chunk of players more than FFXIV.

[KhudusQestir]

This is such a weird post when the general consensus I've run into on different social media platforms seems to be that the devs have completely forgotten about casuals and only cater to raiders.

Can you elaborate more on how they're catering to raiders? You're the only person I've seen to say that so I find that weird.
(Or I guess maybe someone else since I have high doubts of a reply from this person)

Not at all. I'm just pointing out that a comment like yours of "bad" is entirely your own personal subjective opinion, not any magical objective fact, and that it conflicts with the overwhelming majority of the actual playerbase's opinion. The closest thing any of us can come to claiming an objective "fact" here would be discussing the main target audience as casual gamers, which there is a veritable mountain of support to show.

People like me aren't "afraid" of change; we just don't want to see a game that hundreds of thousands of people really enjoy get ruined for all of us because a select few elitists want the game to cater to them instead.

That's a bold claim considering there are popular streamers and many many players who are growing old and tired of the game, leaning on taking a break or quitting for good while another side of players who feel the same are speaking out. Have you notice the amount of likes given to those who agree that the game is growing dull and catering too strong to casuals? If you're not afraid of change, why are you against people asking for more change?

Complaining also got us HW raids, which gutted the raid community and basically killed the raid scene for almost 2 full years.

I'm confused about how this is relevant. Wasn't HW raids like over 10 years ago while SE goal was to fix 1.0, make ARR long-lasting for an MMO and have HW be an expansion that offers new content? HW raids were a failure but they made better raids after. What does this prove? Why is this even a relevant argument for what's going on now? This feels like digging.

doesnt like WoW have more players than FFXIV anyway? I know they dont release their sub numbers but I always assumed that even during its low point in Shadowbringersland they still managed to retain a good chunk of players more than FFXIV.

This was a quick google search but considering the amount of people who are pissed at Blizzard. . . I find that hard to believe but idc and am willing to be proven wrong. I do know a lot are upset with FFXIV and going back to WoW but not something I hear or read about very often.

[Atelier-Bagur]

This was a quick google search but considering the amount of people who are pissed at Blizzard. . . I find that hard to believe but idc and am willing to be proven wrong. I do know a lot are upset with FFXIV and going back to WoW but not something I hear or read about very often.

Yeah I was just basing it off the fact that WoW has been ingrained in the mmo genre for so long that it cant ever be topped in terms of playerbase because so many people are dedicated to it. Its only been until recently that people started seeing FFXIV as this big competitor to it due to the jabs taken at Blizzard during the Shadowlands and Lawsuit fiasco being their lowest point. But FFXIV has never been a game that strived to be better than WoW or bigger than other games, just mostly catering to the casual audience and doing its own thing with its retention through avoiding game system burnout that most other MMOs tend to do in order to try to retain their players.