Highly Notorious Monsters

[Cichy]

Agreed.

I appreciate all the ideas and discussion on different ways to implement HNM, really I do. I'd like to see some of that in XIV. But also, I'd like to see them in the way they were presented in XI too because there was nothing actually wrong with the system. Whether or not you liked the system is up to you.. whether or not you like to compete with other LS's is up to you... whether or not you want to camp for hours is up to you... whether or not you want to attempt to claim is up to you... whether or not you want to get a ToD is up to you... whether or not your in a Linkshell that has a clue what they're doing, also up to you..

Just because you didn't like XI or XI's HNM system doesn't mean there was anything wrong with it. Plently of people loved it obviously (there was always alot of healthy competition on my server) and it never bothered me or my LS mates if we didn't claim Sandworm for 2 weeks straight.. or missed Niddhogg abuncha of times back to back.. Alot of you guys like to complain about XI's HNM and its pretty obvious you never had much experience doing it in the first place. Especially when you go straight to 'no open-world HNMs because of "unfair" claim wars'.. really? I played XI on 360.. and got a claim on EVERY HNM we attempted at some point (multiple times in most cases... although I only ever remember claiming KV and Tiamat once each..but that was likely because I'd usually fall asleep on those windows..). I never got why some people tried to use claim bots anyway.. unless you were just AFK or didn't know the ToD, it was faster to just spam claim at the actual ToD (starting a few seconds b4 it). But, if you actually went out to these 'claim wars' on a regular basis, you'd already know that..

The actual 'war' would begin after the intial group claims... They'd try to hold it with whatever few members they had camping, basically a low-man kite.. while the other groups would watch in suspense watching if their tank(s) go down. If they did, the other groups would start trying to spam claim getting ready for the other group to lose hate. Another group picks it up and then attempts to hold it, meanwhile most of the new groups LS has now shown up and they start buffing up and engage. But then oh shyt!! Mob got turned, spike flail, wipes half the group!!.. Now the other LS are trying to spam claim it when that LS loses hate!! Group 3 picks it up at 50%, already buffed they go in and wail it on down for the "W" and the LOOTS!!! NOW THATS HOW YOU MMO!! Good show for all 3 groups, yet group 3 wins it today. Man I miss having fun in open-world...

At one point my linkshell was making 100 mil a month because we monopolized everything with bots. We had about 50 ppl and claimed 90% of HNMs. Whatever we dint sell we dropped to the ground so that the notion that you can get gear for free did not get around. There were dozens of linkshells like us.
Is this what you want? Because this is what XI was and what XIV will become.
Unlike you I am not delusional and I'm not lying to myself that what we did was majestic or noble. However, this is what that game mechanic created and promoted.
Also, 90% of fights in XI were tank and spank so novelty of them wore very quick.

[Rydin]

At one point my linkshell was making 100 mil a month because we monopolized everything with bots. We had about 50 ppl and claimed 90% of HNMs. Whatever we dint sell we dropped to the ground so that the notion that you can get gear for free did not get around.

I want to be like this ^^^ when I grow up

[Exni]

At one point my linkshell was making 100 mil a month because we monopolized everything with bots. We had about 50 ppl and claimed 90% of HNMs. Whatever we dint sell we dropped to the ground so that the notion that you can get gear for free did not get around. There were dozens of linkshells like us.
Is this what you want? Because this is what XI was and what XIV will become.
Unlike you I am not delusional and I'm not lying to myself that what we did was majestic or noble. However, this is what that game mechanic created and promoted.
Also, 90% of fights in XI were tank and spank so novelty of them wore very quick.

Who said what YOU did was majestic or noble? These forums still are a riot at times I see.. People can't defend an arguement without making stuff up.. But fine, I'll continue

IF by chance there was a time where your LS was claiming almost everything I'm not sure what that has to do with anything I said... Regardless if YOUR LS failed and couldn't get a claim without a bot (which is beyond SAD...), that just a testament to the lack of competition on your server. EVEN IF theres abunch a groups out only with bots, you shouldn't get claim 90% of the time unless the other people simply arent even trying.. If your LS decides to let stuff drop to the ground (again.. fail.., we always had friends either on a waiting list outside the shell, or would sell it someone camping for whatever.. better than letting it drop to the floor...), that's just up to your LS... Basically, just because your LS botted on a server with hardly any competition (so.. so.. fail..), doesn't mean the rest of us didn't have fun doing it the way it was intended..

Edit: The only thing that I will agree did become a problem w/ regard to HNM were the Speed Hacks, which I didnt notice as a problem until the Sandworm days.. Yeah fix that..

Double Edit: Cichy, your name is kinda familiar, were you on Phoenix (volume?)

[Cichy]

Who said what YOU did was majestic or noble? These forums still are a riot at times I see.. People can't defend an arguement without making stuff up.. But fine, I'll continue

IF by chance there was a time where your LS was claiming almost everything I'm not sure what that has to do with anything I said... Regardless if YOUR LS failed and couldn't get a claim without a bot (which is beyond SAD...), that just a testament to the lack of competition on your server. EVEN IF theres abunch a groups out only with bots, you shouldn't get claim 90% of the time unless the other people simply arent even trying.. If your LS decides to let stuff drop to the ground (again.. fail.., we always had friends either on a waiting list outside the shell, or would sell it someone camping for whatever.. better than letting it drop to the floor...), that's just up to your LS... Basically, just because your LS botted on a server with hardly any competition (so.. so.. fail..), doesn't mean the rest of us didn't have fun doing it the way it was intended..

Edit: The only thing that I will agree did become a problem w/ regard to HNM were the Speed Hacks, which I didnt notice as a problem until the Sandworm days.. Yeah fix that..

Double Edit: Cichy, your name is kinda familiar, were you on Phoenix (volume?)

LSs that attempted to camp HNMs and couldnt claim usually fell apart very fast.
Every HNM linkshell in XI ever botted. That's just a fact. And yes people did not have fun doing it the way it was intended. You had fun watching someone kill Nidhogg after you spent past week camping Fafnir? Come on bro, it drove people to pull the hair out of their head.
Speed hacks at sandworm were never a big problem because SE found a pretty reliable way to detect them. Most people who got banned were using those. People used Scan Zone to find Ixion and Sandworm.
You cant convince anyone in their right mind that going everyday and seeing others kill HNM over and over is fun.
Especially ones like Nidhoggs who were the only shot at E body.

[ThePatriarch]

LSs that attempted to camp HNMs and couldnt claim usually fell apart very fast.
Every HNM linkshell in XI ever botted. That's just a fact. And yes people did not have fun doing it the way it was intended. You had fun watching someone kill Nidhogg after you spent past week camping Fafnir? Come on bro, it drove people to pull the hair out of their head.
Speed hacks at sandworm were never a big problem because SE found a pretty reliable way to detect them. Most people who got banned were using those. People used Scan Zone to find Ixion and Sandworm.
You cant convince anyone in their right mind that going everyday and seeing others kill HNM over and over is fun.
Especially ones like Nidhoggs who were the only shot at E body.

I pulled hair out, for sure. Probably tossed a few keyboards.

It did bring some great inter-linkshell comedy, and competition though. Kept people playing solely to compete and smash the other LS's by claiming and getting that drop. I am in no way saying implement alot of this content, however. But for the ones of us who found that chaos fun, why not throw us a little piece of the pie and give us a few 21-24 hour HNM's. I used to get my homework done solely off 7th window pops lol. (When I say give us a "few", i mean think of if the game had over 500 NM"s total, make like 3 HNM's 21hour respawn)

I think that other NM's with shorter respawn times should most certainly outnumber the above mentioned content, but I'm not saying it should be completely absent from the game. Some of us enjoyed the mud-slinging, raunchy camps of which is hardcore HNM camping.

But do I want to do it every day, no. Hell no. But its just nice to have that wide variety of content, that way if I get in that mood I can go out there and camp that 21-24h HNM. That way when I lose claim I can go pop another instanced NM and take out my frustrations lol

[Exn]

LSs that attempted to camp HNMs and couldnt claim usually fell apart very fast.
Every HNM linkshell in XI ever botted. That's just a fact. And yes people did not have fun doing it the way it was intended. You had fun watching someone kill Nidhogg after you spent past week camping Fafnir? Come on bro, it drove people to pull the hair out of their head.
Speed hacks at sandworm were never a big problem because SE found a pretty reliable way to detect them. Most people who got banned were using those. People used Scan Zone to find Ixion and Sandworm.
You cant convince anyone in their right mind that going everyday and seeing others kill HNM over and over is fun.
Especially ones like Nidhoggs who were the only shot at E body.

No that's not a fact.. But you must be from the "Because we did, everyone did camp". Yeah, I had fun watching HNM almost as much as fighting, I've said that a few times already in this thread and others. Spectating was ALOT of fun for me, especially because you didn't always know how it would turn out. No, I didn't QQ after not getting Nidhogg after 2 weeks.. and I think it's kinda sad you did.. but if XI tugged at your emotional hamstrings for missing the possibility of MAYBE getting a drop, then that's on you. And yes, speed hacks were a large problem, there were so many alts running around blinking across the map at one point I almost wrote a letter to SE.. And what does Widescan have to do with using the speed hack? Yeah, we all know you located which zone Ixion or SW popped in with Widescan, the problem came after when all the LS's run to that position for the claim..

Seeing others claim HNM over and over while rarely ever getting a claim yourself wouldn't be fun for me either. But, seeing as though I never said that in the first place I don't know why you felt the need to mention that. A HNM shell that actively camps, collects ToD's, has on-call members, and communicates with each other wouldn't have that problem in the first place.. At times it would seem other shells would be on roll with claims, other times we'd have them locked down, most times it was a pretty even spread with the exception of when an LS really focused on trying to lock down one specific HNM. Our schedule was so busy (which I'm SURE you should be aware of..) that regardless if we missed the claim we may have had members already camping two other HNMs. If we got claim great, if not we were already on the way to the next, or rushing to start the rest of endgame before it got too late. It did not bother me to miss claims.. We got plenty of all of them, and could gear newer members quick enough (if they had good attendence), and had plenty of places to be allllll the time.

I was loving even days like these:
POP!
....
NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
Missed Nidd AGAIN!!
....
PlzWipePlzWipePlz
....
OMG! OMG! OMG! SW POP La'Theine Plateau [S]!!! GO! GO! GO!
Screw Nidd, everyone GO GO GO!
....
GDI!! Already Claimed...
....
BOOO!!!!!
OK (Gather together)(Einherjar) - Odin - 15(Minute)!

I didn't need to have the glory everyday just to have fun.

[ThePatriarch]

I was loving even days like these:
POP!
....
NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
Missed Nidd AGAIN!!
....
PlzWipePlzWipePlz
....
OMG! OMG! OMG! SW POP La'Theine Plateau [S]!!! GO! GO! GO!
Screw Nidd, everyone GO GO GO!
....
GDI!! Already Claimed...
....
BOOO!!!!!
OK (Gather together)(Einherjar) - Odin - 15(Minute)!

I didn't need to have the glory everyday just to have fun.

This made my day good sir.

This statement here exemplifies the wonders of having ample amounts of content. By catering to every aspect, there is always something to do, regardless of your successes/failures.