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    And people defended the 2 same-y dungeons they started pushing out every other patch in SHBs.

    Im not saying that I told you but I did tell you~

    Tho I did enjoy the new Alliance Raids alot, so not all is bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selsix View Post
    It used to be it'd take me at least a solid day or two to finish all the content offered by a patch (including story) at minimum, potentially weeks if there was relic content added. But for 6.X? I'm usually finished with the entire patch in 1-4 hours and then I'm bored again and end up quitting until the next one. I know Yoshi has also said to take breaks and play other games and I do this VERY liberally, but it really isn't fun to come back to the game for a content patch expecting to have fun and I'm done with all I care to do after just a handful of hours.
    You are allowed to take breaks but do not cancel subscription ever.
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    There doesn’t seem to be any sort of open debate anymore it’s either white knight or constant moaning and complaining there is no rhyme or reason to it. People have offered insight into say 16 not really affecting much in development… people are like nah it’s clearly affected it with no source to back the claim. People say content wise it’s been more varied actually at this point and they have revamped and done a lot yet will say no it’s been abandoned for 16.

    Story is subjective but I’ve gone into this knowing it would have been a challenge to start again basically so are trying to prologue anew arc and people think it must go from big event to big event. I think it’s hard to say where it’s going yet till 6.4 and if that’s a drop then ok it makes me question some direction.

    I really want them to produce a spreadsheet of resource allowance and allocation to particular teams etc from stormblood to shadowbringers and ShB to EW. Granted even if it gave big insight to where resource allocation is going people will still moan or doom and gloom. Game gets more content then most mmos… must be the end I guess.
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    This was clear from the start. Their entire division was only responsible for maintaining FF XI and FF XIV before the development of FF XVI. It's an empty promise and weird statement to make when you know how much time and resources it takes to design en develop triple A games thesedays. Final Fantasy is one of the core structures for Square Enix. It is important for them that a brand new title in the series will be a success. For that reason alone him saying it won't interfere with FF XIV is unreasonable.

    The release of FF XVI is only three months away. Going forward, I honestly don't see room for quality improvement before that time. After June/July (as I expect them to still be busy with FF XVI after release) the focus will most likely be on the new expansion for FF XIV. With that in mind the changes we desire for this game will have to wait until 7.0.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meowdyj View Post
    This was clear from the start. Their entire division was only responsible for maintaining FF XI and FF XIV before the development of FF XVI. It's an empty promise and weird statement to make when you know how much time and resources it takes to design en develop triple A games thesedays. Final Fantasy is one of the core structures for Square Enix. It is important for them that a brand new title in the series will be a success. For that reason alone him saying it won't interfere with FF XIV is unreasonable.

    The release of FF XVI is only three months away. Going forward, I honestly don't see room for quality improvement before that time. After June/July (as I expect them to still be busy with FF XVI after release) the focus will most likely be on the new expansion for FF XIV. With that in mind the changes we desire for this game will have to wait until 7.0.
    also PC port, and probably DLC for XVI
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinkuno View Post
    also PC port, and probably DLC for XVI
    I don't think there is going to be DLC pertaining to FF16 I think they said its a closed off experience its all in the game. PC port is handled by a different team though or a much smaller team. It wouldn't really impact much at all....S-E is a huge company of employees they can pull from anywhere if it were needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CStrife912 View Post
    I don't think there is going to be DLC pertaining to FF16 I think they said its a closed off experience its all in the game. PC port is handled by a different team though or a much smaller team. It wouldn't really impact much at all....S-E is a huge company of employees they can pull from anywhere if it were needed.
    I would be surprised if there were no DLC for 16... But after 15, I would hope Square at least learned their lesson from it's cancelled DLC and tell the entire story from start to finish in the base game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meowdyj View Post
    This was clear from the start. Their entire division was only responsible for maintaining FF XI and FF XIV before the development of FF XVI. It's an empty promise and weird statement to make when you know how much time and resources it takes to design en develop triple A games thesedays. Final Fantasy is one of the core structures for Square Enix. It is important for them that a brand new title in the series will be a success. For that reason alone him saying it won't interfere with FF XIV is unreasonable.

    The release of FF XVI is only three months away. Going forward, I honestly don't see room for quality improvement before that time. After June/July (as I expect them to still be busy with FF XVI after release) the focus will most likely be on the new expansion for FF XIV. With that in mind the changes we desire for this game will have to wait until 7.0.
    By saying this, I would only guess that maybe EW won't end with 6.5? And a new expansion sadly, wouldn't come until much much later than usual?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elucesta View Post
    By saying this, I would only guess that maybe EW won't end with 6.5? And a new expansion sadly, wouldn't come until much much later than usual?
    EW ended with 6.0 story wise and 6.5/55 will be the end as per usual nothing is changing in their patch cycle. They did a presentation in Feb 2022 labeled at the next 10 years, pretty much-confirmed patches are pushed back 2 weeks at least 3 at most if it falls on a public holiday so staff get a much-needed break. The expansion I believe will be around march-may sort of window as it will always land a few months after the Japan Fanfest which is coming like the first week of January. In regards to an earlier post of yours I wouldn't put much weight to people saying Yoshi P hasn't had much time for 14 cause of 16 because as a producer he doesn't have to do as much as you think he does...he's also on the board of directors and is in charge of dragon quest online and technically in charge of FF11 while that still exists. He is head of his business division...he is given the role cause he can't produce results and 14 is their golden goose.

    The majority of his time will be on 14, yes 16 is nearing its release so he just does a media tour like he does when a 14 expansion comes out. Hes going to be doing 3 fanfests in the year...people need to really read what roles are within a company and what it entails...producers don't do active development on a game unless he himself wants to or approaches it that way. He handpicked his director and team because he knows they will get the job done in a timely manner.
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    People not talking about the big elefant in the room.

    Yoshida being director of multiple games means he can't focus as much time on FFXIV as before. The development in FFXIV is very rigid and with little adaption potential on the fly, if you have an issue now that seems to need fixing, it often takes 1-3 years to be adressed earliest, unless it is a critical bug. Add that SE seems to have trouble finding developers and coders that understand FFXIV and their coding 1.0 legacy enough, you run into bottlenecks. Something you can't fix quickly by throwing money at it.

    They probably have to work on the rumored recoding of the game engine that means a year or so less content, but makes it more futureproof once its done.

    It is probably extremly demotivating, if you worked on the FFXIV assets as developer and only hear from the fanbase that it is not good enough etc. I think they usually deliver good visual/audio content, just the packaging (coding/gameplay design choices) needs more adaption and more creativity or even more complexity. They are too stuck in "never change a running system".

    It is a bit sad seeing really good art, be used in a way that doesn't make much use of it as it could be. Current example without spoilering anything relevant, the new deep dungeon has on the later floors its own new floor design again, similar to previous iterations, they could have introduced that at least 10 floors before already. Instead of mostly reusing PotD 100-150 type floors (which people liked the least of all) with little difference. Why create something nice and new, but only showing it off for a fraction of the time
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