Ungendered sit poses, please?

[Bobby66]

So why not just unlock sitting options for all? It appears you no care either way, why turn down more positions for characters to use? A lalafell with the cat boy sit stance would be funny.

[DRHaymaker]

So why not just unlock sitting options for all? It appears you no care either way, why turn down more positions for characters to use? A lalafell with the cat boy sit stance would be funny.

It's very clear from the length that people do care. Even then, wanting something doesn't mean you have a more justifiable reason to have it. Like I said, it's a slippery slope, and ungendered clothing was the predecessor to this, and before that, as was brought up, it was "but people can wear casual clothes while fighting big giant monsters!"

Again, be thankful for what you DO have.

[Bobby66]

It's very clear from the length that people do care. Even then, wanting something doesn't mean you have a more justifiable reason to have it. Like I said, it's a slippery slope, and ungendered clothing was the predecessor to this, and before that, as was brought up, it was "but people can wear casual clothes while fighting big giant monsters!"

Again, be thankful for what you DO have.

Let's be fair slippery slope, is always a reach argument. Nothing ever states if you give into one concession you have to give into all of them. Also, it is a request only justifiable reason one needs to make a request is to want it added. From what I can tell the reason for other side not wanting this is at the core when broken down is "I do not like it, and I do not think we need it" is an okay stance but, "I do like it, and I think we need it" is not? No one has a "need" for anything in regards to a video game. Like I have no dog in this race, I play on PC.

[DRHaymaker]

Let's be fair slippery slope, is always a reach argument.

No.

Nothing ever states if you give into one concession you have to give into all of them.

But that's ultimately what happens. If you said yes to X, well there's less reason to say no to Y, and you might as well accept Z if you're going to say yes to those. That's literally what slippery slope is, and we've seen it.

Also, it is a request only justifiable reason one needs to make a request is to want it added.

The absolute unabashed EGO of you people. This is dripping in narcissism, "The only thing I need to say is I want it, and it's justified enough to make a 'request' - I don't need any other argument ".

From what I can tell the reason for other side not wanting this is at the core when broken down is "I do not like it, and I do not think we need it" is an okay stance but, "I do like it, and I think we need it" is not?

You literally said "I just need to want it for it to be a justifiable reason to request it". I don't need to break anything down to get that from you, or misinterpret something - you literally said that.

You, however, need to look through your lens, and distort people wanting something unique to their gender, not wanting to be forced to use them when cycling through animations, not something that's really desired by the community at large, the rating of the game, as just "I don't want it, we don't need it.", and think it's anywhere close to the same thing.

I N S U F F E R A B L E

[Bobby66]

No.



But that's ultimately what happens. If you said yes to X, well there's less reason to say no to Y, and you might as well accept Z if you're going to say yes to those. That's literally what slippery slope is, and we've seen it.



The absolute unabashed EGO of you people. This is dripping in narcissism, "The only thing I need to say is I want it, and it's justified enough to make a 'request' - I don't need any other argument ".



You literally said "I just need to want it for it to be a justifiable reason to request it". I don't need to break anything down to get that from you, or misinterpret something - you literally said that.

You, however, need to look through your lens, and distort people wanting something unique to their gender, not wanting to be forced to use them when cycling through animations, not something that's really desired by the community at large, the rating of the game, as just "I don't want it, we don't need it.", and think it's anywhere close to the same thing.

I N S U F F E R A B L E

First of all I said "it is a request only justifiable reason one needs to make a request is to want it added" this is a forum legitimately that is often the baseline requirement to making a request. You want something the game does not have you make a request for it. That is not narcissism, you do not need to make a case to make a request for something to be added, is it nice? Yeah, but is required no, it is not. Also, slippery slope is a copout. Someone can say you did X, so you should do Y. Just because you did X does not mean you have to do Y, you have the choice if you want to do Y or not. Just because you seem weak willed people cave does not mean it has to be that. Let us be fair their is often an underline reason why they cave, and it often has very little with the fact because they did X at the core. That is a topic for another day. Now if you are saying it is important to remain logically constant, sure but yeah most aren't logically constant in the real world. Very view people have a hardline stance that does not waiver. So slippery slope really only matters to people that want to remain logically constant or not be seen a hypocrite. For the most part people do not care about that stuff so yeah, you can refuse to do something even though you have done it in the past.

Let us be fair both sides both down to as I said I do not like it, and I do not think we need it verses I do like it, and I think we need it. The whole thing about having to cycle through cpose is a stretch you know it, and no adding all cpose would not go against the rating of the game. Shit guy sitting with his legs crossed, rip rating, oh a panty shot which you can already get rip rating. Please be honest people just do not want it added because they do not like it. That is fair, you do not need to come up with excuses as to why you don't want it.

AS I said no dog in this race PC master race. In the end this could go either way and the game would still be fine, I am willing to put large amounts of money more people would be in favor of more options across the board. I have no way to prove that, just as you have no way to prove the community at large does not want it. At the core your arguments as follow a desire to not want to do something, a notion you cannot prove, and it would impact the rating? I am not sure how sitting would do that but fair. Sorry man no matter you cut it it seems like I do not want x. Seems to be in line with the other side but instead they want x. At the core arguments being made are simply out of desire.

[Jybril]

It's very clear from the length that people do care. Even then, wanting something doesn't mean you have a more justifiable reason to have it. Like I said, it's a slippery slope, and ungendered clothing was the predecessor to this, and before that, as was brought up, it was "but people can wear casual clothes while fighting big giant monsters!"

Again, be thankful for what you DO have.

ITT: Grown men and women are losing their marbles and have a mental breakdown because other grown men and women want to sit a certain way in a video game.
More at 11!



Yikes. How do people function in daily life.

[DRHaymaker]

ITT: Grown men and women are losing their marbles and have a mental breakdown because other grown men and women want to sit a certain way in a video game.
More at 11!



Yikes. How do people function in daily life.

"I should have different ways to sit because I need to!"
"Why not be thankful for what you guys do have?"
"OH MY GOD YOU'RE LOSING YOUR MIND!

You're projecting your instability.

Lmao bro I would have never brought it up as a point to begin with had they not insisted that only a small number of people want ungendered poses/idles/whatever and then insist on it being a fact.

...and you proved that yes, a small number of people want that. I not only was generous about what that number was, but assumed that they were all active, all unique DLs, and it still came out to less than 1%.

What were you trying to prove pointing this out, exactly?

[Padudu]

"I should have different ways to sit because I need to!"
"Why not be thankful for what you guys do have?"
"OH MY GOD YOU'RE LOSING YOUR MIND!

You're projecting your instability.



...and you proved that yes, a small number of people want that. I not only was generous about what that number was, but assumed that they were all active, all unique DLs, and it still came out to less than 1%.

What were you trying to prove pointing this out, exactly?

I didn't prove that, I literally only proved that insisting on that is stupid bcos you truly don't know how many people want it, outside the forum. You, Joven, me all have no idea how big the demand is. Hell, like I said earlier, SE is taking the time to make gendered outfits unisex, so reasonably if they are catering to that "small" (which again, you and I can't say for certain is small or not lmao) population of people, then it's more than reasonable to assume the population of players who would like more sitting positions is higher than you'd like to admit. You and Joven are pretty set on tunnel visioning on numbers, when I already said that wasn't the point, and again ignoring the fact that you can't reasonably know what is a "small number" or not. Man, we've been over this, and no amount of 'lalala' and putting fingers in your ear can fix that.

Look dude, if I offended you bcos the idea of a woman with cat ears squatting or sitting like a man disgusts you or you think making sitting positions unisex will please Twitter leftists, I am so sorry lol

[Joven]

Omg, it's just pixels. You're not freakin forced to use male sit positions lol

"Omg, it's just pixels. You're not freakin forced into gendered stereotypes lol." See how that sounds?

This is based on what? I've seen more people complain about the limitations and being driven to fantasia than anything else.

Based on the fact that they give you a sample pool of emotes during character customization to show off the race/gender's personalities. If you went through that whole process and clicked accept then you were drawn to and accepted that race/gender as they were presented. Deciding after the fact that they somehow don't conform to how you want to play them in your head is wholey on you.

That means you have no idea how many people want to have poses unlocked because you're dealing with a small sample size.

Informally, I've heard many more players speak against limitations inside the game itself. Perhaps the small outlier group is the one that is for the status quo.

The same could be said for your anecdotal "many more players" you've allegedly spoken to about this. At least the forums are a somewhat measurable metric, unlike your hearsay. I could just as easily say I've talked to many people who think the idea of allowing each gender to use the other's emotes is dumb.

You do realize people post about this game outside the forum right? People on Twitter/Reddit literally ask for things like this all the time.

Better yet, if you want to do a deep dive, there are forbidden sites that have gender swapped idles/sits/poses. I welcome you to check out the number of downloads and views those have.

Going by the site a friend of mine uses, in the "most viewed" category, the highest viewed item was at 664k for a firmer fanny. Emotes barely cracked the 100k mark and those were custom ones that had nothing to with gender. Not exactly what I would call a sizable group compared the number of players.

Also, I asked the question towards you: is crossing your legs or squatting masculine or feminine? It doesn't answer my question when my question is asking for your opinion, silly.

Depends on how you cross them and masculine.

[PyurBlue]

Based on the fact that they give you a sample pool of emotes during character customization to show off the race/gender's personalities. If you went through that whole process and clicked accept then you were drawn to that race/gender as they were presented. Deciding after the fact that they somehow don't conform to how you want to play them in your head is wholey on you.

As you said, you're only given a small sample of emotes, not enough to be certain of anything. You're also given no indication of how emotes work or if you can change them later on. They just play while you're testing voices. Your point doesn't really hold up. People change their characters after creation because the editor often doesn't provide enough information to make a decision in the first place.

And this isn't even considering what the player is trying to accomplish the first time through the editor. Are they unaware of the RP potential of FF14 and just trying the game after seeing good ratings? If so they might not pay much attention to emotes and mannerisms only to much later find out that they can be significant when it comes to character expression. There is no way to truly evaluate a character short of playing it. When new players ask for advice when attempting to fantasia I can almost grantee that someone will suggest testing characters as alts before using the fantasia. There would not be a need if what you said was accurate.

The same could be said for your anecdotal "many more players" you've allegedly spoken to about this. At least the forums are a somewhat measurable metric, unlike your hearsay. I could just as easily say I've talked to many people who think the idea of allowing each gender to use the other's emotes is dumb.

Which is why I brought it up. If we're going to use the weakest of evidence it becomes pretty easy to support any conclusion you want.