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[Alleo]

Yeah, they should just fight and kill each other. Because that worked so well the first time. Though I would like to know what species attacked the Omicron to make them intergalactic conquerors in the first place.

I think it was hinted that they bascially were the Garleans of their planet. But unlike Garlemald they were not stopped and thus conquered their whole planet. Afterwards it seems that they were always afraid that some other races from other stars could come and wipe them out. Thus they prevented that by being the one that wiped out others. Until the realisation came that maybe this was all wrong and that they did this for pure destruction.

Anyways I should really not be surprised that some are already complaining about something which nobody of us have even played...maybe play it first and then post about it?

I loved the quests we got for them right now and the new zones are beautiful. But I guess for some its too much that a star of pure dynamis reacts on peoples emotions and creates things for them. Maybe we should have gotten someone with creation magic to do it instead. That would be a power that makes sense. /s

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I have to admit to being quite put off by the niceties going on regarding them. These machines are (at least as much as been revealed thus far) easily among the highest scoring killers of all time. The road of self-defense they started out on became one of conquest, conversion, and in most cases eradication. While yes, the Omicrons in Ultima Thule are little more than echoes modeled after the originals, it's made clear in-game they share in their template's rather detestable tendencies. Countless worlds were ravaged by the original Omicrons, the Dragonstar being but one example.

I mean if we cant forgive recreated beings than doesnt that mean that we also should never forgive the Garleans and any other race that has done something horrible? I understand your view though, I have disliked that they tried to paint people like Yotsuyu or Gaius in a much nicer light than they (imo) should be. But if they can do that with living people I just dont see a reason why it shouldnt be fine with recreations of long death beings.

After all even Emet got a nice fanservice goodbye and that person has helped in destroying whole planets too.

[Absimiliard]

I mean if we cant forgive recreated beings than doesnt that mean that we also should never forgive the Garleans and any other race that has done something horrible? I understand your view though, I have disliked that they tried to paint people like Yotsuyu or Gaius in a much nicer light than they (imo) should be. But if they can do that with living people I just dont see a reason why it shouldnt be fine with recreations of long death beings.

After all even Emet got a nice fanservice goodbye and that person has helped in destroying whole planets too.

The problem, as I said before, is that these faux Omicrons have the same characteristics and intentions as the originals. They were even prepared to send out a signal to the original Omicrons, which unlike the other races in Ultima Thule aren't extinct. It's noted this would have seen them resume their mission of destroying all life, which their counterparts in Ultima Thule were well aware of. In other words, they were fully and knowingly willing to be complicit in the eradication of every living thing on every world.

The Garleans mostly employed the least amount of force possible when acquiring new territory, and the people they conquered mostly got on fine so long as they stayed in line. Depending on governor, of course; we know some territories, notably those ruled by Zenos, weren't treated well at all. In any case, the Garleans weren't of one mind. Enough of them disapproved of the Empire's expansionist practices for it to be a proper political issue. At this point they have no Empire, and the numbers of Garlean purebloods have been reduced so heavily that maintaining the population is probably no longer possible. And beyond all that? They, including the ones who were against it from the start, aren't being forgiven. The story makes this evident. Garlemald is screwed.

Emet-Selch may have gotten a "fanservice sendoff," but it's made clear he and the other Ascians aren't forgiven for their actions either. It is quite possible to understand, even sympathize, with a person or persons without condoning the things they've done. Atrocities are atrocities, but in their case those atrocities were driven by something just about everyone can relate to.

Rather than just giving the Omicrons a pass right out of the gate, why couldn't it have been something to work toward? That's all I'm saying. Forgiveness rarely comes easily, after all. It's something that should've taken time and hard work.

[MikkoAkure]

The Garleans mostly employed the least amount of force possible when acquiring new territory, and the people they conquered mostly got on fine so long as they stayed in line.

70,000 Dalmascans died in 1 battle against the Garleans at Nalbina Fortress. Dalmasca and Nhalmasque were taken by overwhelming force through the use of airships and then conscripted their citizens to fight their wars against other nations.

Rather than just giving the Omicrons a pass right out of the gate, why couldn't it have been something to work toward? That's all I'm saying. Forgiveness rarely comes easily, after all. It's something that should've taken time and hard work.

If this was MSQ, that 100% would have happened. But the Dragonstar and the Omicrons are a side story of a side story for beast tribe dailies and there's only so much that can be put into it, especially since the beast tribe dailies are about all the aliens in Ultima Thule and not just the two.

The Garleans will probably have their own reconciliation storyline eventually, now that we just got over their collapse. They're more central to the plot of the game after all.

[Absimiliard]

70,000 Dalmascans died in 1 battle against the Garleans at Nalbina Fortress. Dalmasca and Nhalmasque were taken by overwhelming force through the use of airships and then conscripted their citizens to fight their wars against other nations.

Note the word "mostly" in my initial observation. The Garleans didn't really stand to gain much from conquering a bunch of ruins and dead bodies, which the game does tell us. Doesn't meant there haven't been times they employed extreme force. It just means it's probably not going to be their go-to if it can be helped. If they really wanted to just "win" they could've ended nearly every war they started almost immediately by fielding a bunch of airships and turning every country they visited into a smoking crater.

The Garleans will probably have their own reconciliation storyline eventually, now that we just got over their collapse. They're more central to the plot of the game after all.

I have a sneaking suspicion this may not occur, or if it does it won't be for a good while. The developers were looking to push the game away from Venat, the Ascians, Garlemald, etc. with Endwalker. Their original, more in-depth plans were scrapped in favor of the quicker approach. At any rate, if moving on with the story is the objective, then Garlemald may well not be touched again for a long time.

[MikkoAkure]

Note the word "mostly." The Garleans don't really benefit from conquering a bunch of ruins and corpses, and the game tells us as much more than once.

Considering their small core population size that you yourself pointed out and lack of a casus belli over the lands of Othard and Eorzea, the Garleans don't really benefit from conquering anything anyway. 70,000 Dalmascans died defending their 1000-year-old kingdom from an invading force that had nothing to do with it at all.

The Garlean Empire collapsed in part due to overreach and it was designed from the ground up to be unstable and to ruin as many lives as possible in a short amount of time in order to brew conflict that would lead to a Calamity. The Garlean Empire did not exist to improve anyone's life. You had mentioned the Populares, but they were themselves a weak enough force in Garlean government and society that they were purged off-camera without Ascian influence or assistance. The IVth legion, led and largely made up of non-pureblood Garleans and taking advantage of political instability in Garlemald, went completely rogue and decided to carve out their own nation.

I have a sneaking suspicion this may not occur, or if it does it won't be for a good while. The developers were looking to push the game away from Venat, the Ascians, Garlemald, etc. with Endwalker. Their original, more in-depth plans were scrapped in favor of the quicker approach. At any rate, if moving on with the story is the objective, then Garlemald may well not be touched again for a long time.

I would be happy with them taking a break from the cosmic escalation and plot points going back to 1.0 so that Yoshi-P can make his own story unfettered from holdovers from before he joined. The reason why Garlemald fell like it did is simply because the original writers made it too strong and I think that was even called out before. I still think a reconciliation sidequest chain will come eventually but it will take time in both our world and the world of the game. Time for us to do something new. And for the people of Hydaelyn, most don't know the Ascians exist so the only face they know of being responsible for 60 years of conquering are the Garleans and the average citizens back home were fully drinking the Ascian kool-aid thinking they had the right to take over the world while dissenting voices weren't enough to have an impact and were purged anyway. So it will probably be done in a chain of quests and not be tied to a tribal quest done in one go.