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[EgilTheStressedMage]

Yeah, they should just fight and kill each other. Because that worked so well the first time. Though I would like to know what species attacked the Omicron to make them intergalactic conquerors in the first place.

[kaynide]

Yeah, they should just fight and kill each other. Because that worked so well the first time. Though I would like to know what species attacked the Omicron to make them intergalactic conquerors in the first place.

I honestly had hoped that would be the source of the sound..and the subject of 7.0…but alas the sound was just Meteion and a lot of “whoops those pesky Ascians again lolwtfbbq”.

[Cleretic]

Yeah, they should just fight and kill each other. Because that worked so well the first time. Though I would like to know what species attacked the Omicron to make them intergalactic conquerors in the first place.

I suspect it's like with the Garleans: it's not that they had one single nemesis, it's that they were so incapable of fighting back that everything that had reason to take a shot at them did.

In keeping with the back end of Endwalker having a lot of classic sci-fi, the Omicrons are actually damn near bang-on for Doctor Who's Cybermen in terms of concept. While no version of the Cybermen have ever had their origin in wars (that's more the Daleks' thing), they do have a common theme across various incarnations that it almost doesn't matter what sort of adversity caused them to decide augmenting themselves was the best idea; the point is that they did.

[Enkidoh]

I suspect it's like with the Garleans: it's not that they had one single nemesis, it's that they were so incapable of fighting back that everything that had reason to take a shot at them did.

In keeping with the back end of Endwalker having a lot of classic sci-fi, the Omicrons are actually damn near bang-on for Doctor Who's Cybermen in terms of concept. While no version of the Cybermen have ever had their origin in wars (that's more the Daleks' thing), they do have a common theme across various incarnations that it almost doesn't matter what sort of adversity caused them to decide augmenting themselves was the best idea; the point is that they did.

Not to mention their backstory is also a dead-ringer for the original Cylons from the 70s Battlestar Galactica (originally reptillian aliens who made themselves into cyborgs, and then eventually became fully robotic AIs, and who then launch a genocidal assault on another sentient starfaring race), but yeah it's definetely in keeping with a lot of EW referencing classic speculative fiction/sf.

[Carin-Eri]

I suspect it's like with the Garleans: it's not that they had one single nemesis, it's that they were so incapable of fighting back that everything that had reason to take a shot at them did.

In keeping with the back end of Endwalker having a lot of classic sci-fi, the Omicrons are actually damn near bang-on for Doctor Who's Cybermen in terms of concept. While no version of the Cybermen have ever had their origin in wars (that's more the Daleks' thing), they do have a common theme across various incarnations that it almost doesn't matter what sort of adversity caused them to decide augmenting themselves was the best idea; the point is that they did.

Yeah - and the Borg from Star Trek spring to mind here too. Granted they're, as their name implies, Cyborgs but I guess one might argue that the Omicrons evolution included a techno-organic stage?

Eitherway, the origin of the Borg has, to date, never been explored and most agree that it's better that way. Keeping a sense of mystery where their origin is concerned makes them more appealing in my view.

[kaynide]

Yeah - and the Borg from Star Trek spring to mind here too. Granted they're, as their name implies, Cyborgs but I guess one might argue that the Omicrons evolution included a techno-organic stage?

Eitherway, the origin of the Borg has, to date, never been explored and most agree that it's better that way. Keeping a sense of mystery where their origin is concerned makes them more appealing in my view.

Agreed; sometimes it's better to let one's imagination do the heavy lifting. No need to show everything.

I think it was hinted that they bascially where the Garleans of their planet. But unlike Garlemald they were not stopped and thus conquered their whole planet. Afterwards it seems that they were always afraid that some other races from other stars could come and wipe them out. Thus they prevented that by being the one that wiped out others. Until the realisation came that maybe this was all wrong and that they did this for pure destruction.

Anyways I should really not be surprised that some are already complaining about something which nobody of us have even played...maybe play it first and then post about it?

I loved the quests we got for them right now and the new zones are beautiful. But I guess for some its too much that a star of pure dynamis reacts on peoples emotions and creates things for them. Maybe we should have gotten someone with creation magic to do it instead. That would be a power that makes sense. /s

I can't remember specifics but this sounds about right; The Omicrons are essentially the embodiment of the Dark Forest theory (an answer to the Fermi Paradox). That is to say, when encountering another race, it is always better to destroy them first so that a) they can't get you first and/or b) they can't evolve into something that is stronger than you.

[Alleo]

Yeah, they should just fight and kill each other. Because that worked so well the first time. Though I would like to know what species attacked the Omicron to make them intergalactic conquerors in the first place.

I think it was hinted that they bascially were the Garleans of their planet. But unlike Garlemald they were not stopped and thus conquered their whole planet. Afterwards it seems that they were always afraid that some other races from other stars could come and wipe them out. Thus they prevented that by being the one that wiped out others. Until the realisation came that maybe this was all wrong and that they did this for pure destruction.

Anyways I should really not be surprised that some are already complaining about something which nobody of us have even played...maybe play it first and then post about it?

I loved the quests we got for them right now and the new zones are beautiful. But I guess for some its too much that a star of pure dynamis reacts on peoples emotions and creates things for them. Maybe we should have gotten someone with creation magic to do it instead. That would be a power that makes sense. /s

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I have to admit to being quite put off by the niceties going on regarding them. These machines are (at least as much as been revealed thus far) easily among the highest scoring killers of all time. The road of self-defense they started out on became one of conquest, conversion, and in most cases eradication. While yes, the Omicrons in Ultima Thule are little more than echoes modeled after the originals, it's made clear in-game they share in their template's rather detestable tendencies. Countless worlds were ravaged by the original Omicrons, the Dragonstar being but one example.

I mean if we cant forgive recreated beings than doesnt that mean that we also should never forgive the Garleans and any other race that has done something horrible? I understand your view though, I have disliked that they tried to paint people like Yotsuyu or Gaius in a much nicer light than they (imo) should be. But if they can do that with living people I just dont see a reason why it shouldnt be fine with recreations of long death beings.

After all even Emet got a nice fanservice goodbye and that person has helped in destroying whole planets too.

[Absimiliard]

I mean if we cant forgive recreated beings than doesnt that mean that we also should never forgive the Garleans and any other race that has done something horrible? I understand your view though, I have disliked that they tried to paint people like Yotsuyu or Gaius in a much nicer light than they (imo) should be. But if they can do that with living people I just dont see a reason why it shouldnt be fine with recreations of long death beings.

After all even Emet got a nice fanservice goodbye and that person has helped in destroying whole planets too.

The problem, as I said before, is that these faux Omicrons have the same characteristics and intentions as the originals. They were even prepared to send out a signal to the original Omicrons, which unlike the other races in Ultima Thule aren't extinct. It's noted this would have seen them resume their mission of destroying all life, which their counterparts in Ultima Thule were well aware of. In other words, they were fully and knowingly willing to be complicit in the eradication of every living thing on every world.

The Garleans mostly employed the least amount of force possible when acquiring new territory, and the people they conquered mostly got on fine so long as they stayed in line. Depending on governor, of course; we know some territories, notably those ruled by Zenos, weren't treated well at all. In any case, the Garleans weren't of one mind. Enough of them disapproved of the Empire's expansionist practices for it to be a proper political issue. At this point they have no Empire, and the numbers of Garlean purebloods have been reduced so heavily that maintaining the population is probably no longer possible. And beyond all that? They, including the ones who were against it from the start, aren't being forgiven. The story makes this evident. Garlemald is screwed.

Emet-Selch may have gotten a "fanservice sendoff," but it's made clear he and the other Ascians aren't forgiven for their actions either. It is quite possible to understand, even sympathize, with a person or persons without condoning the things they've done. Atrocities are atrocities, but in their case those atrocities were driven by something just about everyone can relate to.

Rather than just giving the Omicrons a pass right out of the gate, why couldn't it have been something to work toward? That's all I'm saying. Forgiveness rarely comes easily, after all. It's something that should've taken time and hard work.

[MikkoAkure]

The Garleans mostly employed the least amount of force possible when acquiring new territory, and the people they conquered mostly got on fine so long as they stayed in line.

70,000 Dalmascans died in 1 battle against the Garleans at Nalbina Fortress. Dalmasca and Nhalmasque were taken by overwhelming force through the use of airships and then conscripted their citizens to fight their wars against other nations.

Rather than just giving the Omicrons a pass right out of the gate, why couldn't it have been something to work toward? That's all I'm saying. Forgiveness rarely comes easily, after all. It's something that should've taken time and hard work.

If this was MSQ, that 100% would have happened. But the Dragonstar and the Omicrons are a side story of a side story for beast tribe dailies and there's only so much that can be put into it, especially since the beast tribe dailies are about all the aliens in Ultima Thule and not just the two.

The Garleans will probably have their own reconciliation storyline eventually, now that we just got over their collapse. They're more central to the plot of the game after all.

[Absimiliard]

70,000 Dalmascans died in 1 battle against the Garleans at Nalbina Fortress. Dalmasca and Nhalmasque were taken by overwhelming force through the use of airships and then conscripted their citizens to fight their wars against other nations.

Note the word "mostly" in my initial observation. The Garleans didn't really stand to gain much from conquering a bunch of ruins and dead bodies, which the game does tell us. Doesn't meant there haven't been times they employed extreme force. It just means it's probably not going to be their go-to if it can be helped. If they really wanted to just "win" they could've ended nearly every war they started almost immediately by fielding a bunch of airships and turning every country they visited into a smoking crater.

The Garleans will probably have their own reconciliation storyline eventually, now that we just got over their collapse. They're more central to the plot of the game after all.

I have a sneaking suspicion this may not occur, or if it does it won't be for a good while. The developers were looking to push the game away from Venat, the Ascians, Garlemald, etc. with Endwalker. Their original, more in-depth plans were scrapped in favor of the quicker approach. At any rate, if moving on with the story is the objective, then Garlemald may well not be touched again for a long time.