That Which He Does Not Play

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Nope, counter criticism is perfectly fine, however going agaisnt op every single time and denying their point by immediately calling it "bait", derailing and trolling their thread is not ok in any way. If you want to counter criticism, by all means.



To be entirely fair when I see people telling me it's okay to not have any decent preview options in the character creation screen and that "people should make some effort and create alt characters for every voice they want or youtube it" yet a fantasia is sold at full price, and its not cheap, it really makes me question to what extent people are ready to defend everything Square does, and it does make me want to block these people too, because they have no common sense.

And yet, I have not posted in either of those threads. So.....


I don't think fantasia pots are expensive, but I also don't think there's any reason not to have better previews on character creation. It likely comes down to tech limitations in their engine, but I'm not going to say no if they can add it

[Stormpeaks]

And yet, I have not posted in either of those threads. So.....

Not saying you have, but I can definitely understand why op wouldnt take anyone in defense of Square seriously, WoW went down that route, and it went bad, people kept defending over and over again the worst decisions, be it content wise, balance etc, and people are doing the exact same in this game, because of people like that, games are doomed to fail as any sort of criticism is immediately rejected by the community as bait or trolling.

If your bar for criticism is pointing out any fault within the game, which is reasonably within your prerogative to do so, then equally it is within other peoples' prerogative to have a counter criticism just simply be "Low tier post"; "Bad take".

The dude took a small excerpt from an interview and neglected to read the personal account -- Neglecting the very fact many of these developers do have full-time jobs and do test this content as part of said job, and equally have lives outside of the game, you cannot get much more low quality, really. They keyword in this excerpt was personal account

If someone tells me a game is crap and pawns that off as criticism, then people pointing out the post or perspective as being low quality then that is just a valid criticism as the former, which is really the point here.

It does matter if he plays the content he made on his personal account, because if the content itself was enjoyable, he would have done it by now.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Not saying you have, but I can definitely understand why op wouldnt take anyone in defense of Square seriously, WoW went down that route, and it went bad, people kept defending over and over again the worst decisions, be it content wise, balance etc, and people are doing the exact same in this game, because of people like that, games are doomed to fail as any sort of criticism is immediately rejected by the community as bait or trolling.

The problem is, and again, this has been stated numerous times when it comes to aveyond, he states his opinion as objective fact instead of objective opinion, and states that the majority agree with him without any kind of statistics to back this up.

In this very thread he states the game is hemorrhaging players at a rapid pace. Where did he get that info? I haven't seen any indication that this is true.

[Stormpeaks]

The problem is, and again, this has been stated numerous times when it comes to aveyond, he states his opinion as objective fact instead of objective opinion, and states that the majority agree with him without any kind of statistics to back this up.

In this very thread he states the game is hemorrhaging players at a rapid pace. Where did he get that info? I haven't seen any indication that this is true.

People not logging into the game are an indication that it is true, and yes that is based on personal experience, I also have seen a lot of people stop logging in at all in my friend list, and if those people leave, that does mean that quite a lot of people are quitting the game, either due to lack of content, or due to how boring the content is, or it's simply not worth the time anymore.

Ignoring anyone who disagrees with you will do that.

Be constructive about it then.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Be constructive about it then.

I've tried in the past. He either doesn't respond at all, or responds just to say that he's not responding. It'd honestly be kinda funny if the joke wasn't beaten to death.

[Striker44]

People not logging into the game are an indication that it is true, and yes that is based on personal experience, I also have seen a lot of people stop logging in at all in my friend list, and if those people leave, that does mean that quite a lot of people are quitting the game, either due to lack of content, or due to how boring the content is, or it's simply not worth the time anymore.

It's always risky using anecdotal evidence as a basis for making generalizations. Trying to extrapolate from the most minuscule of small samples to an entire playerbase of hundreds of thousands of people is statistically worthless. And there's doubtless other people whose anecdotal evidence says the exact opposite (such as myself). The people I play with are still around, and everywhere I go, I see a ton of other players in the game doing content.

That some people on your particular friend list decided to stop logging in doesn't mean anything aside outside of those specific people. It doesn't mean "quite a lot" of people are doing anything, nor for any of the reasons you put forth. For example, right now I'm playing FFXIV, Destiny 2, Warcraft 3 Reforged, and Privateer 2. I'll rotate between them. Sometimes that means there's a week or two in a row where I won't log in to FFXIV. It doesn't mean there's a lack of content or that I'm finding anything boring. I still have a long list of things I'm looking forward to doing, and I have a lot of fun every time I log in. But I also have fun playing other games, too, and only so much time to play. So sometimes I'll play those more, especially if Destiny 2 has a particular "theme of the week" going that I particularly enjoy, or if I hit a certain point in Privateer 2 where I'm really into that part of the story. None of that takes anything away from how much fun I'm also having in FFXIV.

If nothing else I suppose I should be grateful for the aid of those who lent their voice to amplifying this thread further and keeping it at the top of General so that more people can see the issue with Yoshi's handling of aspects of the game that don't directly impact him.

(Un-)Fortunately, all they're really seeing is how bad of a take you have and potentially forming a larger opinion of your posts based on how it's been demolished in this thread :\

[VelKallor]

also have seen a lot of people stop logging in at all in my friend list, and if those people leave, that does mean that quite a lot of people are quitting the game, either due to lack of content, or due to how boring the content is, or it's simply not worth the time anymore.

Or they take a break, play other things and wait for the next patch. Forget that one did we?

[Kaurhz]

Not saying you have, but I can definitely understand why op wouldnt take anyone in defense of Square seriously, WoW went down that route, and it went bad, people kept defending over and over again the worst decisions, be it content wise, balance etc, and people are doing the exact same in this game, because of people like that, games are doomed to fail as any sort of criticism is immediately rejected by the community as bait or trolling.



It does matter if he plays the content he made on his personal account, because if the content itself was enjoyable, he would have done it by now.

Like I've said, and like you have elected to ignore, many of these developers test the content, and go through validating it as part of QA, equally they have their own lives. I'm sorry but if you're testing quality for potentially tens of hundreds of hours for QA and bug-finding then regardless of the content you are probably not going to be as enthused about doing it on your personal content afterward.

That being said, whether they have done it on their main account is sort of irrelevant in the context of Island Sanctuary, arguably in many facets of content, this does apply. Whether a developer likes the content or not -- More importantly the community reception and perception around the content are arguably more important as they are the ones exhausting the product. -- In other words, a project manager or developer can develop and manage content that they personally don't like if they feel it is something that the larger player base would participate in.

Developing content that you only personally have an interest in is a surefire way to eventually kill the product or stagnate the player base. It's not a clever thing to do at all. Sometimes they just need to develop content they don't enjoy - This of course lies under the assumption that Yoshida hates the content which is not really something anyone can say, really.

I would argue that Island Sanctuary is not an entirely finished product, and nor is it without flaws, but it has the good foundations already to be content with a lot of substance with it and is something they can continue to develop even with arguably fairly positive reception. Again, not without flaws but positively received.

So I will stick with my point of a low-tier post.