Why is it so common to join extremes without watching a guide first?

[Iyrnthota]

Ive personally never experienced anyone like that so I can't comment on it. I usually just get silent groups outside of like myself and one or two other people trying to help keep things organized. Is this a common thing people experience or is this one bad experience by OP being turned into a bigger deal?

While I haven't experienced it myself, I've seen enough people talk about it to know that it is common when doing Mentor roulettes.
Often sprouts will join EX duties using Duty finder instead of PF, which comes with a whole range of issues.

Some are not very polite when people attempt to explain the way things are usually done.

[LianaThorne]

While I haven't experienced it myself, I've seen enough people talk about it to know that it is common when doing Mentor roulettes.
Often sprouts will join EX duties using Duty finder instead of PF, which comes with a whole range of issues.

Some are not very polite when people attempt to explain the way things are usually done.

I mean, from my memory back then the game doesn't tell you to use party finder when unlocking the first extreme (I believe it's Levi but I might be wrong). So in that case, unless someone goes out of their way to educate said sprout, they'll just use Duty Finder. You can't really blame them for Square's lack of understanding that JP and NA/EU operate differently for harder content (JP does things mainly through DF with the assistance of macros if you weren't aware before). I also don't believe they could even see on the Party Finder that people are queueing through there for other types of hard content since they wouldn't even have it unlocked (unless they got lucky when another Levi EX was being done through there).

As far as people being rude, it's unfortunate but this is the internet where people don't really feel a need to be as closed mouth about what they're thinking. This will be something encountered anywhere. All you can really do is kick them or leave yourself if kicking isn't an option, but their personality probably won't change by just asking them to stop. I mean it's possible I suppose.

[Iyrnthota]

I mean, from my memory back then the game doesn't tell you to use party finder when unlocking the first extreme (I believe it's Levi but I might be wrong). So in that case, unless someone goes out of their way to educate said sprout, they'll just use Duty Finder. You can't really blame them for Square's lack of understanding that JP and NA/EU operate differently for harder content (JP does things solely through DF if you weren't aware before).

As far as people being rude, it's unfortunate but this is the internet where people don't really feel a need to be as closed mouth about what they're thinking. This will be something encountered anywhere on the internet. All you can really do is kick them or leave yourself if kicking isn't an option, but their personality probably won't change by just asking them to stop.

It is not unexpected for people to turn there first, that is true.

My understanding of the JP EX+ culture is that learning is done through PF, but re-clears/farms are done via DF, so I believe learning through DF would be incorrect in JP as well.

Regardless, I think OP's initial point stands. As broad as the title of this thread is, the content of the OP is actually quite specific as to the context of what irritates them.

[LianaThorne]

It is not unexpected for people to turn there first, that is true.

My understanding of the JP EX+ culture is that learning is done through PF, but re-clears/farms are done via DF, so I believe learning through DF would be incorrect in JP as well.

Regardless, I think OP's initial point stands. As broad as the title of this thread is, the content of the OP is actually quite specific as to the context of what irritates them.

Annoying, sure. I'll give it that. But I guess kind of just depends on each individuals tolerance for new players and what that can come with. I don't necessarily think that a new sprout intentionally goes into their first extreme with a mentality of: "Oh I'm gonna say I want to do this blind but then ask a bunch of questions." I'd align myself more with the thought of them becoming potentially overwhelmed when they realize exactly what's going on and panic. It would also make sense that they'd be more irritated in a heightened state of mind and make some potentially rude remarks.

Yeah learning is done through there but they use the DF for harder content in a way that NA/EU doesn't. Which is why I also feel they should add some sort of warning to the game that attempting said content through PF would be recommended and to not attempt DF until they are comfortable with the fight. Would help avoid sprouts falling to the EX DF hole and probably relieve some stress from others who don't want to deal with it in Mentor roulette. Even then, probably still would have some sprouts who just don't pay attention and do it anyway so..

I'm curious actually, what would be the best solution to this problem?

[Iyrnthota]

Annoying, sure. I'll give it that. But I guess kind of just depends on each individuals tolerance for new players and what that can come with. I don't necessarily think that a new sprout intentionally goes into their first extreme with a mentality of: "Oh I'm gonna say I want to do this blind but then ask a bunch of questions." I'd align myself more with the thought of them becoming potentially overwhelmed when they realize exactly what's going on and panic. It would also make sense that they'd be more irritated in a heightened state of mind and make some potentially rude remarks.

Yeah learning is done through there but they use the DF for harder content in a way that NA/EU doesn't. Which is why I also feel they should add some sort of warning to the game that attempting said content through PF would be recommended and to not attempt DF until they are comfortable with the fight. Would help avoid sprouts falling to the EX DF hole and probably relieve some stress from others who don't want to deal with it in Mentor roulette. Even then, probably still would have some sprouts who just don't pay attention and do it anyway so..

I'm curious actually, what would be the best solution to this problem?

Hard to say really. Since most regions use PF as the primary learning tool, it would make sense to me for the game to direct players there in the case of EX+
Maybe remove them from being DF queueable entirely?
A bit drastic granted, but there's not much benefit to having them there, except for sprouts to get their first EX clears against Ifrit or similar.

[LianaThorne]

Hard to say really. Since most regions use PF as the primary learning tool, it would make sense to me for the game to direct players there in the case of EX+
Maybe remove them from being DF queueable entirely?
A bit drastic granted, but there's not much benefit to having them there, except for sprouts to get their first EX clears against Ifrit or similar.

Would probably make a good thread to have if it's becoming a larger issue, unless the title can be changed on this one to be more along the lines of: "Suggestion: Please direct new players to queue for EX+ content through PF instead of DF." or something like that.