Why is it so common to join extremes without watching a guide first?

[LianaThorne]

It is not unexpected for people to turn there first, that is true.

My understanding of the JP EX+ culture is that learning is done through PF, but re-clears/farms are done via DF, so I believe learning through DF would be incorrect in JP as well.

Regardless, I think OP's initial point stands. As broad as the title of this thread is, the content of the OP is actually quite specific as to the context of what irritates them.

Annoying, sure. I'll give it that. But I guess kind of just depends on each individuals tolerance for new players and what that can come with. I don't necessarily think that a new sprout intentionally goes into their first extreme with a mentality of: "Oh I'm gonna say I want to do this blind but then ask a bunch of questions." I'd align myself more with the thought of them becoming potentially overwhelmed when they realize exactly what's going on and panic. It would also make sense that they'd be more irritated in a heightened state of mind and make some potentially rude remarks.

Yeah learning is done through there but they use the DF for harder content in a way that NA/EU doesn't. Which is why I also feel they should add some sort of warning to the game that attempting said content through PF would be recommended and to not attempt DF until they are comfortable with the fight. Would help avoid sprouts falling to the EX DF hole and probably relieve some stress from others who don't want to deal with it in Mentor roulette. Even then, probably still would have some sprouts who just don't pay attention and do it anyway so..

I'm curious actually, what would be the best solution to this problem?

[Iyrnthota]

Annoying, sure. I'll give it that. But I guess kind of just depends on each individuals tolerance for new players and what that can come with. I don't necessarily think that a new sprout intentionally goes into their first extreme with a mentality of: "Oh I'm gonna say I want to do this blind but then ask a bunch of questions." I'd align myself more with the thought of them becoming potentially overwhelmed when they realize exactly what's going on and panic. It would also make sense that they'd be more irritated in a heightened state of mind and make some potentially rude remarks.

Yeah learning is done through there but they use the DF for harder content in a way that NA/EU doesn't. Which is why I also feel they should add some sort of warning to the game that attempting said content through PF would be recommended and to not attempt DF until they are comfortable with the fight. Would help avoid sprouts falling to the EX DF hole and probably relieve some stress from others who don't want to deal with it in Mentor roulette. Even then, probably still would have some sprouts who just don't pay attention and do it anyway so..

I'm curious actually, what would be the best solution to this problem?

Hard to say really. Since most regions use PF as the primary learning tool, it would make sense to me for the game to direct players there in the case of EX+
Maybe remove them from being DF queueable entirely?
A bit drastic granted, but there's not much benefit to having them there, except for sprouts to get their first EX clears against Ifrit or similar.

[LianaThorne]

Hard to say really. Since most regions use PF as the primary learning tool, it would make sense to me for the game to direct players there in the case of EX+
Maybe remove them from being DF queueable entirely?
A bit drastic granted, but there's not much benefit to having them there, except for sprouts to get their first EX clears against Ifrit or similar.

Would probably make a good thread to have if it's becoming a larger issue, unless the title can be changed on this one to be more along the lines of: "Suggestion: Please direct new players to queue for EX+ content through PF instead of DF." or something like that.