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  1. #141
    Player Theodric's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    In your opinion I guess. I never thought zodiark was going to be the big baddie. Especially after shadowbringers. Him just being a primal made that evident.

    Primals strength comes from belief, and only a few ascians were left who believed in him.
    To the first point, a lot of the people wanting to see more of Zodiark weren't expecting him to be the 'big bad' either. He was summoned for the sake of salvation for the Ancients and the protection of Etheirys, after all.

    To the second point, Elder Primals differ from regular Primals in the sense that once they're summoned they don't need to absorb aether or prayers from their surroundings.

    At any rate, the game is host to more than just fans of the Scions so I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the game to have spent a little more time on exploring the sheer gravity of putting an end to the hopes and dreams of an entire civilisation.

    For context, imagine if the game went straight to the Lopporits after the Warrior of Light returned to Vesper Bay after Livia's attack...or after Zenos' massacre in Rhalgr's Reach?

    It would feel rather tonally inconsistent with what was going on at the time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    It's literally just fanfiction. Lahabrea and the ascians ticket the warriors on the first, no hydaelyn. Lmao. It's so bad.
    Not that I'd expect someone who tries to accuse people of 'misogyny' if they dislike Venat to have a fair and balanced take on the subject of Zodiark but...the artwork itself is very well drawn and it's a fair and reasonable assumption that the artist in question speaks English as a second language so attacking it on that front is in poor taste.

    It's also realistic to call people out for genocidal rampages even if they benefit you indirectly.
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    Last edited by Theodric; 09-01-2022 at 06:53 AM.

  2. #142
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauront View Post
    I'd like to see you produce anything like it. I'll wait while you head off to MS Paint. Maybe you can post some of the totally non-cringeworthy moments, like the Scions praying to the WoL, or Herois declaring herself a Supreme Deity, or the goth bird girl flailing for 30-40% of the fight, or the burger scene, or the cringe fake-out deaths.

    Oh btw another little fact: your Herois allows Emet-Selch to escape. Process that.



    Missed the Q&A?
    Oh no, not the dreaded burger scene!

    The horror!

    Also, the Meteion fight was after emotional revelations in Ultima thule. You guys apparently missed that part.

    And venat wasn't perfect, no one has ever claimed she was. She herself never claimed that.

    You guys are so involved in your victim hood that you can't even see the other aspects that happen during the story.
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  3. #143
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    Oh no, not the dreaded burger scene!

    The horror!

    Also, the Meteion fight was after emotional revelations in Ultima thule. You guys apparently missed that part.
    Whatever inspiration you'd like to use for your stick figure art is fine by me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
    No matter how straightforward or polite one tries to frame their message as, it seems there are always individuals who are unwilling to entertain new ideas unless they come from Yoship himself. Nevertheless, I think it is in the best interest of the game for its areas of improvements to be openly discussed.
    In the appropriate thread.
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  5. #145
    Player Theodric's Avatar
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    Ah, yes, the 'epic conclusion to a ten year saga' that involved 40% of the boss in question's health bar being little more than the boss flailing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    Ah, yes, the 'epic conclusion to a ten year saga' that involved 40% of the boss in question's health bar being little more than the boss flailing.
    You mean like the hades fight?
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    You can only complain endlessly if they allow bots on the forums the same way they are happy allowing bots spamming in Limsa to gil RMT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    You mean like the hades fight?
    Barely 10% of his fight. He didn't use up multiple stars' worth of dynamis, nor was he presented as a threat to the entire known universe or used as the pretext for the entire status quo.

    Anyway, let me know the ETA on those stick figures of yours.
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  9. #149
    Player Theodric's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    You mean like the hades fight?
    That's not even remotely comparable. It happens at the very end of the fight rather than for almost half of it.

    ...and as much as some nicely drawn art seems to tilt some people here, there's little need to resort to personal attacks and foul language.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElenaRedoran View Post
    "Endwalker is badly written because it didn't go the way I wanted it to. Also, I love the genocidal mass murderer."

    "Island Sanctuaries are bad because it's not instanced housing. There's nothing to do after picking up 9700 nodes to reach rank 10 in the first week. What's a workshop?"

    "Datamining has ruined the game. These debuff icons reveal everything about the savage raid and will ruin progression. I don't do savage raiding though."

    "Why do you say "first time" in a new instance?"

    "I got rescued once so please remove the ability from the game. I can't handle losing control over my character. I'm the main character, nobody should be able to mess with my movement but me."

    "Crafting is too easy."

    "Crafting is too hard."

    "Removed from Ex4 by Japanese group. Racist. I queued into a duty complete group and got removed for not knowing what to do."
    Oh no, they also bully people they don't like.
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