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  1. #151
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    To the second point, Elder Primals differ from regular Primals in the sense that once they're summoned they don't need to absorb aether or prayers from their surroundings.
    The evidence seems to indicate they do still need prayer. Bahamut and the Warring Triad had their followers sealed with them to continue feeding them prayers, Hydaelyn had worship from across Eorzea, and Zodiark still had 3/4 of the Ancients' souls sealed with him on the moon.
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  2. #152
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElenaRedoran View Post
    *As words are used by the poster to describe themselves*
    About as cringe as you complaining about that artist's art on here. Are you that person that dwells on 4ch constantly raging about it? Anyway, you are not worth burning up further posts over, that much is abundantly clear.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk View Post
    The evidence seems to indicate they do still need prayer. Bahamut and the Warring Triad had their followers sealed with them to continue feeding them prayers, Hydaelyn had worship from across Eorzea, and Zodiark still had 3/4 of the Ancients' souls sealed with him on the moon.
    Q: Venat said that not even her soul would remain but what does that mean? I’m very fond of her character and would like to see her again.
    A: The answer is that souls are also made of Aether, and she gives up so much Aether that includes all of her soul as well. By contrast Zodiark was summoned using sacrifices of a lot of people, yes? But he was able to only use their Aether aside from their souls up because Zodiark was really strong and summoned by the Convocation of the Fourteen and so on. Hydaelyn had a much weaker summoning and because of that she didn’t have the option to leave the souls untouched, and that includes Venat she ended up using all of her Aether. In 5.2 there was some discussion of Venat’s group that assisted her in doing this and also how much of the Ancient people were sacrificed to create Zodiark so if you look back at that time it might be of your interest now. At the very end, Hydaelyn still had her own soul, which is Venat’s. That was the very power that she used to fight the Warrior of Light. When she tells you before the final bout she had saved enough Aether specifically to fight you, and that specifically points to Venat’s soul.
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    Last edited by Lauront; 09-01-2022 at 07:20 AM.
    When the game's story becomes self-aware:


  3. #153
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauront View Post
    About as cringe as you whining about that artist's art on here. Are you that tilted thing that dwells on 4ch constantly raging about it? Anyway, you are not worth burning up further posts over, that much is abundantly clear.
    Please quote me whining about their art. Also, ofcourse you're a 4channer. I don't know what I was expecting after this weird obsession you've got:

    Quote Originally Posted by Lauront View Post
    I'd like to see you produce anything like it. I'll wait while you head off to MS Paint. The amusement would be appreciated.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lauront View Post
    Whatever inspiration you'd like to use for your stick figure art is fine by me.
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    Anyway, let me know the ETA on those stick figures of yours.
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  4. #154
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElenaRedoran View Post
    holy fuck, you people are pretentious as fuck

    cringe.
    Lol, how eloquent and mature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kpxmanifesto View Post
    Lol, how eloquent and mature.
    Because sitting here insulting someone and assuming they can't draw is mature? and then bringing it up THREE TIMES over the course of 5-10 minutes?

    come on now LMAO
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  6. #156
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    That's not even remotely comparable. It happens at the very end of the fight rather than for almost half of it.

    ...and as much as some nicely drawn art seems to tilt some people here, there's little need to resort to personal attacks and foul language.
    The only ones resorting to personal attacks are you and your partner lol.


    I never claimed the art was bad. I claimed what was written was pure fanfiction.

    No WoL has fond memories of lahabrea, dude literally wanted us dead before we even formally met his character.


    Also, you seem pretty obsessed. You can't seem to let things go that happened in conversations from almost a year ago, and haven't been relevant since.
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    Last edited by Valkyrie_Lenneth; 09-01-2022 at 07:09 AM.

  7. #157
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    The only ones resorting to personal attacks are you and your partner lol.
    Lol, this guy.
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    I just want my 6 Dot scholar back. Is that so much to ask?
    If they can give us a female hrothgar that no wants they can fix the DoT falloff problem
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    Kupo <3 knows this is a game and keeps it as such kupo <3
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    Kupo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
    FFIX did not glorify suffering or use humor in such a heavy handed and inappropriate way and I am shocked that there people who would compare it to FFXIV. In any case, I suppose that the more time passes and the game loses us more serious fantasy fans the more the reddit, twitter, and other sites will come to be populated by these new players who don't seem to want or care for a story that actually balances levity and seriousness.

    I cannot recommend Endwalker to those of us who liked stories like FFIX, FFX, Dragon Age Origins, Elden Ring, so on. This expansion did not respect the game world nor its characters and upended 10 years worth of lore and storytelling to tell a story which fell apart in too many peoples eyes compared to even the likes of Stormblood, which at least didn't push its message in a way that was as badly received as Endwalker's.
    Funnily enough I do keep flipping between FFIX and FFXIV as my fav Final Fantasy games. I love both for very different reasons. Anway, I would still recommend the game to any fan of FF or fantasy stories. It was not the most perfect ending to the ten year story, but it ended up being a lot better then I initially feared! At worst it has narrative missteps and could have used more time for-building (Is that a word? Is now!) but a very enjoyable, epc adventure. I do hope for those that do dislike it, 7.0 will be more to their liking. Lore is always the most engaing part of a game I find, and it sucks to see people off-put by it even if I dissagree.

    That said, I cannot help thinking that if the games story is as bad, in as many peoples eyes as you say, then the criticism would be a lot more widespread. You know, get the kinda community-wide hate that say, WoW’s lore and GoT S8 got from even their most positive ‘echo chambers’. I will not pretend to be an expert who has read every number, but it seems like most reviews from fans and critics are positive. Sure reviews should only be seen as guides and opinions, never objective judgements, and over time opinion of it will likely fall. I think it may very well be more divisive then Stormblood (Poor Stormy, I still love you and think you are the third best expansion…) but nothing is perfect, and Stormblood did not kill the game. Neither has Endwalker from what I can tell.

    I feel to say this is the only place that serious fans can talk is a bit of a slap in the face to many people who do genuinely care for the game. Some almost describe it as if this place is Amaurot, with Zodiak protecting it from the Dynamis that is too much positivity. This place ain't immune to the toxic sides of fandom, both positive and negative, nor should other platforms be so written off just because a pendulum swings more in one way then the other.
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