Glamour Question

[Flaws]

It's never been thrown out the window. Like ever. If it was thrown out the window, we wouldn't even be having this discussion now would we? What you mean to say is you want it thrown out the window. You believe that just because playful glamours are released, it defeats all purpose to continue to have restrictions on the glamour system. Players who are against lifting restrictions, or have an idea why they are in place have listed reasons from north to south. They cannot be faulted when those who want the restrictions to go away mulch their statements into reasonings based on identity to be easily ignored.


The dev team doesn't need to be told what gear should and shouldn't have restrictions. This is totally up to them, and they can place those restrictions for any reason they deem fit. Many of the players who are for the restrictions are glamour chasers as well. They can and do have overlapping limitations and frustrations. This doesn't change their views though because they know and understand that the devs don't ever place restrictions on gear to purposely grieve them and/or deliberately limit their glamour pool.

You and I both know that's not true. There is no role identity when you have to design gear that would, for example, work on both PLD and GNB where both roles are tanks but they have vastly different aesthetics. Or MCH and DNC. It is simply impossible and they've proven it with how they've been designing gear. There are multiple examples of the devs violating their own rules of role restricted gear with both NPCs that wear a mix of gear from different roles + re-using gear from previous expansions but only slightly recolored for an entirely different job. There are no valid excuses. Unless you genuinely mean to tell me that slight coloration differences on the exact same gear model is what sets them apart for different jobs. Gear that is already dyeable most of the time anyway.

The devs of any game should always take player feedback into account first thing because thats how games evolve and become better. We don't want another WoW on our hands, do we? The vast majority of players here are against these restrictions and the devs should take note. If you don't believe me I suggest you look at the other thread about it made by Siddiax.

[Gemina]

You and I both know that's not true. There is no role identity when you have to design gear that would, for example, work on both PLD and GNB where both roles are tanks but they have vastly different aesthetics. Or MCH and DNC. It is simply impossible and they've proven it with how they've been designing gear. There are multiple examples of the devs violating their own rules of role restricted gear with both NPCs that wear a mix of gear from different roles + re-using gear from previous expansions but only slightly recolored for an entirely different job. There are no valid excuses. Unless you genuinely mean to tell me that slight coloration differences on the exact same gear model is what sets them apart for different jobs. Gear that is already dyeable most of the time anyway.

I don't know how many times I have to explain that none of this has anything to do with restrictions. I haven't used identity in my arguments once, yet you do exactly what I said in my last post, and throw everything in a blender so all you see and hear is job identity. Furthermore, when you're arguing that restrictions limit your options and then proceed to mention all the options you have, it kind of has the reverse effect if your intention, and just makes you sound entitled.

The devs of any game should always take player feedback into account first thing because thats how games evolve and become better. We don't want another WoW on our hands, do we? The vast majority of players here are against these restrictions and the devs should take note. If you don't believe me I suggest you look at the other thread about it made by Siddiax.

Good grief. Just because the dev team doesn't grant every single request doesn't mean they don't take player feedback into account. They've released restrictions on many items of gear, and just released Lyse's outfit and hairstyle that has been in very high demand. And this is one big reason why I wish they did not lift restrictions. It's like apologizing to a mob. You know all that gear you keep referring to that are just re-releases of previous sets but for different roles? They do that BECAUSE of player feedback.

I know it sucks to hear the truth when it goes against all your hopes and dreams of a restriction-free glamour system. You'll continue to think it's about identity retention though, and bikini tanks remove all reason to keep restrictions, so I don't really see much point continuing. Do you?

[Flaws]

I don't know how many times I have to explain that none of this has anything to do with restrictions. I haven't used identity in my arguments once, yet you do exactly what I said in my last post, and throw everything in a blender so all you see and hear is job identity. Furthermore, when you're arguing that restrictions limit your options and then proceed to mention all the options you have, it kind of has the reverse effect if your intention, and just makes you sound entitled.


Good grief. Just because the dev team doesn't grant every single request doesn't mean they don't take player feedback into account. They've released restrictions on many items of gear, and just released Lyse's outfit and hairstyle that has been in very high demand. And this is one big reason why I wish they did not lift restrictions. It's like apologizing to a mob. You know all that gear you keep referring to that are just re-releases of previous sets but for different roles? They do that BECAUSE of player feedback.

I know it sucks to hear the truth when it goes against all your hopes and dreams of a restriction-free glamour system. You'll continue to think it's about identity retention though, and bikini tanks remove all reason to keep restrictions, so I don't really see much point continuing. Do you?

Absolutely, I do. None of what you've said makes any sense. You clearly have no solid arguments against it. You literally talked about people getting compliments for looking the part originally which is clearly all about identity. Also, are you seriously going to say that having a few reused models for different jobs is the same as having no restrictions? Where are you even going with this? "All the options you have" like thats anywhere near what all of us are asking for. And no they absolutely don't do that because of player feedback, they do it because they don't want to dedicate resources to create new gear for every role in every new duty. How could you possibly arrive at that conclusion is beyond me. No one has ever asked for re-use of models, if anything we'd ask for the opposite.

Also, them releasing items on the Mogstation for real money is not in any way related to this conversation. Just because I said that devs should listen to their playerbase doesn't mean that I'm claiming that they don't listen to us at all, does it? You said that "the devs don't need to be told...". Yes, they do, because thats how games get better.

I honestly don't understand what reason you could possibly have to still be arguing against this when there are no good arguments against it. Not from an identity perspective, not from a coding perspective, none whatsoever. It feels like you're just going against it for the sake of going against it and there is no actual purpose to it. You're arguing against having more options which is the most bizarre thing a player of a video game can do.

Edit: From reading your other reply to Siddiax its beginning to sound like you just have some weird, twisted and skewed view of the community and you're against anyone who asks for any changes to the game regardless of how good or bad they might be. I hate to break it to you but giving good suggestions with good arguments that make sense and will objectively only be a net positive for every player of the game is not being a "rabid player" who "always finds something to gripe about". Its called giving feedback so that the game can improve, like I'm sure we all want it to.