Petition to Remove Classes & Just Have Jobs

[Charismatic]

I like that idea of jobs upgrading to advance jobs. Like a Knight turns into Paladin, and then turns into a Crusader, Black Mage turns into Wizard, then into Sage etc etc. upgrading and unlocking new abilities along the way

Well, that's not quite the way it works there.

Its more like... in Ragnarok Online everyone starts as a novice and then can switch to one of the "1st jobs" which, as seen in the picture are Acolyte, Swordsman, Thief, Mage, Merchant and Archer.

Archer can then become Hunter or Dancer
Acolyte can become Priest or Monk
Swordsman can become Knight or Crusader


and so on


The only thing is, just like now with FFXIV, there was a point in time where only the 2-1 classes existed and the upgrade fulfilled much of the same role. Like... from Acolyte to Priest it was just healer to more powerful healer.

Acolyte to Monk, however, is a switch from a healer to a damage dealer but you did get to keep all of the Acolyte skills.


tl;dr 2-1 jobs were enhanced versions filling mostly the same role whereas 2-2 were alternate specs that fulfilled different roles or a similar/same role in a new way.

[Sortis]

theyve added new jobs in almost every FF for the most part too, and in some they didnt even have jobs at all!

so they arent what make a FF

No they definitely are, every FF game has jobs, they may not swap around, but they're definitely the basis for the characters. Locke is a Thief, Zell is a Monk, etc. They were here since day one and made FF different from other games and are a capstone of the original series, so they definitely are in every game in one incarnation or another. Your point would almost be a valid one if the current classes in the game weren't just poo poo versions of the jobs. They were made to be watered down versions for the armory system which no longer matters as end game content isn't tiered toward classes. It's even more so that way now. THM = ghetto BLM. They aren't new jobs, they're shadows of our current ones.

The only thing that keeps them afloat is stealing abilities from other classes that more often than not causes problems and nerfs, which is why we no longer are able to equip every ability on every class. It's a broken system that causes gross imbalance and a need to waste dev time and resources to keep in check which could be devoted to actual new content.

[Petdo]

In some situation i like class better
but in some situation, job might be better.
It depends... so if SE has another good idea to combine everything together it would be great.
Right now, it good as it is

[Vanguard319]

I'm beginning to wonder if you actually play the game or just post on the forums...

One could pose the same question to you...

I'm in agreement with the vedis on this one, the base classes have more flexibility when it comes to solo play. Also, some classes might be preferred over jobs when it comes to leveling. For example, ppl in leveling parties want a tank that can handle groups of mobs rather than just one at a time, meaning they're more likely to pick a mrd/war over a Pld, who may have better defense, but fewer AoE hate tools. In that scenario, you would have to go gladiator w a DD setup just to level up. (I know a few people who leveled thier glas that way, including myself.) It'll probably stay that way until SE makes adjustments to jobs later down the line.

[MizoreShirayuki]

We tank most everything with WARs now b/c PLD is well....... useless on most everything.

[Jinrya-Geki]

One could pose the same question to you...

I'm in agreement with the vedis on this one, the base classes have more flexibility when it comes to solo play. Also, some classes might be preferred over jobs when it comes to leveling. For example, ppl in leveling parties want a tank that can handle groups of mobs rather than just one at a time, meaning they're more likely to pick a mrd/war over a Pld, who may have better defense, but fewer AoE hate tools. In that scenario, you would have to go gladiator w a DD setup just to level up. (I know a few people who leveled thier glas that way, including myself.) It'll probably stay that way until SE makes adjustments to jobs later down the line.

Mizore does play the game.

[indira]

class = solo, but warrior owns soloing

classes = are better in a party vs a class

a class is the median of of playing when a job excels in a role. people want jack of all trades? why no just go back to launch day we were gods and could do almost anything, but wait people wanted a challenge and classes to be different from each other. people wanted stuff to do other than soloing now there giving us that content and guess what people want to be able to solo everything now.

[CoDeWa]

They shouldn't get rid of jobs or classes. Most people enjoy unlocking classes and getting upgrades that make your character seem to progress more drastically at times. Personally, I want an MMORPG that abolishes gear entirely, but I know better than to ask SE to remove it from ff14.

No they definitely are, every FF game has jobs, they may not swap around, but they're definitely the basis for the characters. Locke is a Thief, Zell is a Monk, etc. They were here since day one and made FF different from other games and are a capstone of the original series, so they definitely are in every game in one incarnation or another. Your point would almost be a valid one if the current classes in the game weren't just poo poo versions of the jobs. They were made to be watered down versions for the armory system which no longer matters as end game content isn't tiered toward classes. It's even more so that way now. THM = ghetto BLM. They aren't new jobs, they're shadows of our current ones.

The only thing that keeps them afloat is stealing abilities from other classes that more often than not causes problems and nerfs, which is why we no longer are able to equip every ability on every class. It's a broken system that causes gross imbalance and a need to waste dev time and resources to keep in check which could be devoted to actual new content.

Final Fantasy 2, Final Fantasy 12

[Vanguard319]

We tank most everything with WARs now b/c PLD is well....... useless on most everything.

Then there you go, you've answered your own question. Since Pld is a defense-oriented job with little utility in parties, going gla is the only way to get a party right now, since you can set one up for damage; This is why they're not going to get rid of classes, they have more flexibility and can adapt better to evolving play styles.

[Dragon]

Sort-of off-topic perhaps, but has anyone tried exclusively using jobs against Ifrit?