Do NOT bring Kaiten back

[Xenon_S]

Normally I would make greater efforts to not engage in a troll... However, he has been so self defeating and backwards in what he claims, I can't help but encouraging him at this point because its comical and seemingly obvious to everyone but himself.
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This.

I offered factual counterpoints to his "arguments" (TBH it is debatable if you can even call them arguments, as insubstantial as they are), and he ignored them all, choosing to only focus on responding to personal attacks.

[xAFROx]

This.

I offered factual counterpoints to his "arguments" (TBH it is debatable if you can even call them arguments, as insubstantial as they are), and he ignored them all, choosing to only focus on responding to personal attacks.

As long as the effort was made, I think that's fine. What happens beyond that is on him. I too have responded angrily and also responded with some level of civility on the topic here and in other threads.

[Randommob]

But I am playing the game, not sure how you quantify “playing the game” with experience

Just wanna say this, Im a Sam main for 2 expac now with some experience in raiding. Im not the best sam out there or have perfect rotation. However, for me, Sam dmg come from its iaijutsu midare. The 6.1 sam, since the dmg is spread out to "balance the dmg". Sam is not consistent dmg dealer tho, its a burst. Sam has its burst window where you need to align your cd with raid buff window thus ppl need to delay. Rn, sam is not the sam i know back ShB, no synergy with team comp; evidently, im benched from my raid group from using sam. They asked me to change to other melee if possible
About Kaiten, its only a skill you need to press before midare or higanbana, now onigiri. However, its a skill that seperate decent sam with bad sam. I have seen sam do less dmg compared to dnc and its killing me inside. Also, it smooth out the flow of the rotation thus everyone want it back
Third eye is a defensive skill. Back in ShB, you have tight window to proc it with wide raid dmg. Back then, it gave you 2 options: 1 will consume kenki to "counter" and 1 is for healing. Not amazing but it give something for you to think about and up to you to use it. Now it gives flat kenki. Dumb down hard if you ask me
In short, people calling you troll or dont know how to play the game/sam because from where they stand, you do not have an understanding about how sam works/play. Furthermore, the fact that you want the job to be even more simlified is a sign. Job need to have skill ceiling so it can keep people engaging. Look at rework SMN, i played it once and i got the rotation. Not much thinking needed, choose which to summon depend on phase. Thats it. Dont need to micro management the dot, align the trance cd, refresh the skill that give both dot. Jobs require time and investment will create room to grow as a player thus keeping people in those jobs longer. Simple job will be a played once im done thing, not healthy for the game

[Randommob]

But I am playing the game, not sure how you quantify “playing the game” with experience

Just wanna say this, Im a Sam main for 2 expac now with some experience in raiding. Im not the best sam out there or have perfect rotation. However, for me, Sam dmg come from its iaijutsu midare. The 6.1 sam, since the dmg is spread out to "balance the dmg". Sam is not consistent dmg dealer tho, its a burst. Sam has its burst window where you need to align your cd with raid buff window thus ppl need to delay. Rn, sam is not the sam i know back ShB, no synergy with team comp; evidently, im benched from my raid group from using sam. They asked me to change to other melee if possible
About Kaiten, its only a skill you need to press before midare or higanbana, now onigiri. However, its a skill that seperate decent sam with bad sam. I have seen sam do less dmg compared to dnc and its killing me inside. Also, it smooth out the flow of the rotation thus everyone want it back
Third eye is a defensive skill. Back in ShB, you have tight window to proc it with wide raid dmg. Back then, it gave you 2 options: 1 will consume kenki to "counter" and 1 is for healing. Not amazing but it give something for you to think about and up to you to use it. Now it gives flat kenki. Dumb down hard if you ask me
In short, people calling you troll or dont know how to play the game/sam because from where they stand, you do not have an understanding about how sam works/play. Furthermore, the fact that you want the job to be even more simlified is a sign. Job need to have skill ceiling so it can keep people engaging. Look at rework SMN, i played it once and i got the rotation. Not much thinking needed, choose which to summon depend on phase. Thats it. Dont need to micro management the dot, align the trance cd, refresh the skill that give both dot. Jobs require time and investment will create room to grow as a player thus keeping people in those jobs longer. Simple job will be a played once im done thing, not healthy for the game

[Vencio]

I see…so that’s why the current job is not how it was back then at its strongest?

I’ve started playing SAM at early EW & barely bother with statistics & numbers.

Your post help me to delved deeper & understand it outside of my scope

[Ruminous]

Why in the world am I being a called a Troll? i seriously don’t have a clue….just only saw reactions & previously this was mentioned before on other posts, to have equally met hostility & labelling of course.

My stance & approaches may have been misinterpreted or rather came to upfront, and so has anyone’s.

I literally explained to you, in my post, that you apparently FAILED TO READ on why you get labeled a troll. So you're either ignoring what I'm saying because you can't see it or willfully are because I've also called you a troll. But I'll reiterate for you, once again, in easy to digest points.

You post an opinion without any points to back it up other than "I don't like it" or "It's too hard" and say things are fine when they clearly are not, as evidenced by the outrage that exists even across the language barriers.

You have no experience on the matter in question. You yourself have even stated you don't play samurai in a PVE setting. So what makes your opinions worth counting when the changes being discussed are in PVE? It's already a known fact you don't need a full understanding of things in your kit to get through most content of the game, so why would you care if one ability is there or not when you don't even get punished for not using it unless you're doing content that requires you to have knowledge of your kit?

You feign ignorance and pretend you're just the victim of hostile people when you're purposefully igniting the conflict in the first place. This is one of the biggest things. You don't harass people in a store then get the right to complain when people tell you to piss off and they're "being mean to you". That's not how it works.

Lastly, you fail to even engage people and actively dismiss dissent because it conflicts with your worldview on things. I don't like your opinions but I have reasons behind them and have stated them. You simply dismiss others as if their thoughts are wrong.

There, I've laid out all the reasons people think you're a troll, and why I think you're a troll, and why I'll continue to think you're a troll. You fix those, and people will be more willing to discuss things with you. Until then, a spade is a spade, a troll is a troll. I'll welcome being proven wrong, but so far, you aren't doing a good job of it.

I'll touch on this last bit about this becoming like "WoW's community": No matter where you go, experience is valued, and those with knowledge on the topic in question will have more credibility to their opinions. Your experience will be examined and the more (or less) you have, people will notice.

[cjbeagle]

You simply dismiss others as if their thoughts are wrong.

I actually don't mind being dismissed outright - some people don't want to debate - that's fine - what draws ire is when he dismisses our viewpoints as "cringy", says we're "stubborn fools" and "just resistant to change" as if our viewpoints have no rationale while simultaneously providing no rationale for his own [steaming] hot takes.

[Ruminous]

I actually don't mind being dismissed outright - some people don't want to debate - that's fine - what draws ire is when he dismisses our viewpoints as "cringy", says we're "stubborn fools" and "just resistant to change" as if our viewpoints have no rationale while simultaneously providing no rationale for his own [steaming] hot takes.

Kind of is a good point: Means they weren't interested in discussion to begin with. But I was explaining the why's in hopes he'd be able to self-reflect. It's a skill he's lacking.

[Ceridwen]

Kind of is a good point: Means they weren't interested in discussion to begin with. But I was explaining the why's in hopes he'd be able to self-reflect. It's a skill he's lacking.

I also have to fight the urge to discipline someone else's kid, and that's what this began to feel like. It's reminding me of my new puppy, if my puppy failed to learn. I think there are just people who look around, see that someone, somewhere, is emotional about something, and then they bead in on you & start needling. That's the definition of a troll to me, and I don't think they're doing it to 'understand' or help, or anything but to get a rise. And I always fall for it! At least, the first few times. Hence, ignore becomes a beautiful thing. (also works on puppy when he's being demanding.)

[cjbeagle]

It's reminding me of my new puppy, if my puppy failed to learn.

I will concede in saying Kaiten should NOT be removed & it stripped a portion of its job identity

(weeks ago - prior to making this thread) https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...re-s-why/page6

Your puppy isn't failing to learn - it's misbehaving intentionally specifically to piss you off.