Do NOT bring Kaiten back

[Selvokaz]

I feel like Kaiten could have worked (as in stayed in) if they had made it one of those chain skills that becomes the next follow up skill, like midare setsugekka. Like... how Dragoon has that Dragon Eye ability. So you get the three seals, then Kaiten appears on the midare setsugekka button, so its like in two in one button that you double tap. XD

[Ransu]

I feel like Kaiten could have worked (as in stayed in) if they had made it one of those chain skills that becomes the next follow up skill, like midare setsugekka. Like... how Dragoon has that Dragon Eye ability. So you get the three seals, then Kaiten appears on the midare setsugekka button, so its like in two in one button that you double tap. XD

That would be a lot more punishing. On its own button you can mess up and not have enough kenki for kaiten and just skip it. Not ideal, but the option is there. If kaiten is tied into the iajutsu button you'd be forced to use another global to build kenki. Combining ogi into ikishoten would make much more sense if action blow was really the problem, which it wasn't. We all know by now the change was done entirely because of the ultimate fight.

[Selvokaz]

That would be a lot more punishing. On its own button you can mess up and not have enough kenki for kaiten and just skip it. Not ideal, but the option is there. If kaiten is tied into the iajutsu button you'd be forced to use another global to build kenki. Combining ogi into ikishoten would make much more sense if action blow was really the problem, which it wasn't. We all know by now the change was done entirely because of the ultimate fight.

no kenkei gauge for this kaiten, its like dragoons dragon eye thing, once you hsve the seals, you use the kaiten before midare period by hitting whatever your midare button is.

[Shurrikhan]

no kenkei gauge for this kaiten, its like dragoons dragon eye thing, once you hsve the seals, you use the kaiten before midare period by hitting whatever your midare button is.

But... why?

For one, that can end up a clipping nightmare given how XIV has tended to do combined buttons.

More importantly, though, Kaiten having a Kenki cost is largely the point of Kaiten -- to create a need for gauge management so that Kenki is an actual gauge instead of just a Shinten charge counter.

[Ransu]

no kenkei gauge for this kaiten, its like dragoons dragon eye thing, once you hsve the seals, you use the kaiten before midare period by hitting whatever your midare button is.

That's....even worse. Why would anyone want that? Part of the reason everyone hates this change is the simplification of kenki. Kaiten animation is great and flows great into the iajutsus, but the other thing is it gave us something else to manage. We'd still run into the same problem of just spamming shinten.

[ildranor]

all you need to do is look at the amount of likes on post like yours saying SAM is fine after patch. 0 likes, always. you are in the vast, VAST minority. so just keep quiet stop trying to undermine SAM players trying to get their job fixed.