Do NOT bring Kaiten back

[Vencio]

Just for crying out loud look at the repetitive posts that majority of these individuals are far resistant to go through the changes,

I beg to differ but SAM feels alright the way it is, no further logic needed & I applaud for going through with the change.

I do agree the job does need to be inprovise as every other job & this takes time through trial & error.

Please remain steady & thank you devs for going through this.

[Ceridwen]

Did you... make a new post to whine about new posts?

[HolyReign]

Did you... make a new post to whine about new posts?

Did you... make a new reply to whine about people who whine about new posts?

[Theodric_Thorne]

If you were actually a fan of SAM, you'd understand why we want it changed. You don't, so you aren't, so please kindly go post somewhere else and stop trying to undermine us. This attitude is what led WoW's dev team to believe they were infallible gods, and look where WoW is now. If we don't call out SE when they make a mistake, they will begin to devalue player feedback and start spouting things like "you think you do, but you don't" and run FFXIV into the ground through sheer hubris.

[Ceridwen]

If you were actually a fan of SAM, you'd understand why we want it changed. You don't, so you aren't, so please kindly go post somewhere else and stop trying to undermine us. This attitude is what led WoW's dev team to believe they were infallible gods, and look where WoW is now. If we don't call out SE when they make a mistake, they will begin to devalue player feedback and start spouting things like "you think you do, but you don't" and run FFXIV into the ground through sheer hubris.

I don't think much could make me quit this game, but, "Don't you guys have phones/snicker?" would, in fact, be the end for me.

[Laphicet]

I don't think much could make me quit this game, but, "Don't you guys have phones/snicker?" would, in fact, be the end for me.

"If you don't like current healers, just go play ultimate"
-Quote from Yoshi-P in a recent live-letter when asked about how healer is boring and told how people want more complex dps rotations on healer.

Said as if three or four fights (TankCOB kind of undermines the idea here for one of them) justify healer being a boring 1-button-spamfest for all the story, leveling, and a good chunk of the actual endgame content.
He also proceeded to laugh at the person asking the question and at the remark he said, as if it was some kind of joke.

[Vencio]

On the contrary most you can’t either let go or just are in utter denial,

I am indeed a fan of SAM & while I agree certain abilities could’ve been reworked, merged or remove some, ultimately the latter came to Kaiten & the job still stands to remain strong.

All in all the ultimatum happened,

Kaiten is NO MORE,

Go still play the job as you did, enjoy it & its no reaso to otherwise stop you (only you limit yourself).

I will understand, no matter how hard I try, that people all of a sudden would stop playing a job they were passionate & just are resistant to changes.

[Shibu_Mizaku]

If we don't call out SE when they make a mistake, they will begin to devalue player feedback and start spouting things like "you think you do, but you don't" and run FFXIV into the ground through sheer hubris.

SE is already at that point sadly. All you have to do is look at what happened to Healers to see that. Admittedly, DPS players account for a massive chunk of the playerbase so things might actually get changed back but I wouldn't get your hopes up.

[ThorneDynasty]

SE is already at that point sadly. All you have to do is look at what happened to Healers to see that. Admittedly, DPS players account for a massive chunk of the playerbase so things might actually get changed back but I wouldn't get your hopes up.

My hopium is that that they finally overreached by going after the DPS too, and the outrage will finally catch up and make them reconsider their design priorities and what they have done to healers and half the tanks.

Shut up, let me dream.

[Ransu]

OP is a troll. Put him on ignore and move on. He does the same garbage in the balance discord.