The SAM changes - and the current direction of job balance - is LAZY. Here's why

[FrogBiscuit]

How does removing kaiten make the job easier? The APM didn't change at all. Now we just spam shinten and weave gyoten in place of kaiten. You clearly don't know how to play the job at all.

You see...

He likely isn't spamming shinten or weaving gyoten...

Probably felt like kaiten was a obligation and huge ordeal to manage the kenki for, so now that its gone, he just doesn't have to hit buttons in that empty space now...

It made his job easier. They took away a augment ability and now he just doesn't have a augment ability to hit... His rotation probably hasn't changed... (that all is speculation assuming he actually even plays SAM).

[Alex1337]

You need to understand it from our perspective. I understand that you feel the game should be fun and you should be able to log on and have a good time, nothing wrong with that on a basic fundamental level, that's what games are for, however; there are those of us who which to challenge ourselves and aspire for more. Do I want the game and its systems to come down in skill ceiling so that I am effectively "better", no, I just wana get even better, Do you? Potentially and I respect your opinion but it can't be one sided, you can't just go around saying don't post feedback and flood forums because I think the job is fine.

Hell Apex had the opposite problem, the game had no chill, some my public/casual lobbies were sweatier than my diamond/master/pred lobbies - I full expected to be able to jump into a casual match stomp some noobs and meme on people but no the SBMM makes it kinda impossible, the difference with that game is there is a choice (ironically which doesnt work) I go in ranked and im trying hard, pubs no (but i do cuz SBMM) FFXIV seems to be headed in the direction of making all content casual even the Savages which they are, by the way, making EVEN easier with changes to jobs like these, the SMN rework and the absolute ease of play of RPR - The game is heading for a no try hard mode.

[FrogBiscuit]

I might have been singled out in this thread due to a preposition that I am respectfully opposed to it, lastly nowadays to agree/disagree in a civil manner is hardly encountered, especially the recent posts of individuals that just found it irritating of my opposition.

No, you were singled out in this thread because you entered it by calling the people expressing their opinions 'fools'... Belittled them further... And then told them that their opinion was wrong...

Its comical that you now retreat to 'You just don't like my opinion!' when you were the one that hypocritical disqualified others, and did so with childish mud slinging.

Your lack of self awareness is astounding.

[Beddict]

I respect your input & your overall reasoning behind it which is persuasive & made me think twice & to be sincerely honest with you I might have been singled out in this thread due to a preposition that I am respectfully opposed to it, lastly nowadays to agree/disagree in a civil manner is hardly encountered, especially the recent posts of individuals that just found it irritating of my opposition.

Yeah, gonna call bullshit on that one, chief. Let's go over your post history for a bit, just for the memes:

It’s only stubborn fools that are reluctant for change & just throws tantrums at it.

Just amused how persistent are these type of posts that’s rather unrelenting & yet cringy

Deal is done, can’t revert something that just came to be.

You unsub because of it your issue,

It’s ludicrous, non endless crusade, just for one ability removal.

In just this thread alone you've called people stubborn fools, that their complaints are cringy and ludicrous, and that players should just give up despite the devs asking for feedback. How are you gonna sit there and pretend you respect people's complaints after going into a feedback thread and shitting all over everyone's opinions? "Wah, people are yelling at me for having a different opinion, it couldn't possibly be because I called them a bunch of cringy whiners and told them to shut up, Yoshi-P save me." Maybe, just maybe, you're getting blasted because you're being rude to people?

[Vencio]

No, rather amazed how easily people overreacted by simply objecting stating I agreed with the changes,

Being called called troll, not really knowing the job well, further looking for avenues to attack me by simply looking through my history,

All this because of a certain difference; glad most people truly showed their true flags.

Forums are a public of expression as it is anyone’s right within this domain. Therefore it’s best not to expect mutual interactions & accordances, I displayed my stance & so has anyone’s.

I will apologize however for coming too strong with my words,

[Ransu]

No, rather amazed how easily people overreacted by simply objecting stating I agreed with the changes,

Being called called troll, not really knowing the job well, further looking for avenues to attack me by simply looking through my history,

All this because of a certain difference; glad most people truly showed their true flags.

Forums are a public of expression as it is anyone’s right within this domain. Therefore it’s best not to expect mutual interactions & accordances, I displayed my stance & so has anyone’s.

I will apologize however for coming too strong with my words,

You didn't just object...You literally slung insults in your first post. If you expected a different outcome in a conversation about a highly criticized change then....well I dunno what to tell you other than your complete lack of self awareness.

[Vencio]

Right & I apologize for it,

I won’t press any further

[FrogBiscuit]

No, rather amazed how easily people overreacted by simply objecting stating I agreed with the changes,

Being called called troll, not really knowing the job well, further looking for avenues to attack me by simply looking through my history,

All this because of a certain difference; glad most people truly showed their true flags.

Forums are a public of expression as it is anyone’s right within this domain. Therefore it’s best not to expect mutual interactions & accordances, I displayed my stance & so has anyone’s.

I will apologize however for coming too strong with my words,

I wonder what kind of blissful world you live in... You know... considering the levels of ignorance.


You don't get to sling insults at a entire community and then pretend to be some kind of virtuous victim directly after when they respond negatively to your provocation.

You are mixing up extremely simple concepts in willful ignorance, only to comically try to avoid even acknowledging how you presented yourself here from the start.


I (and I bet 100% of the rest of the SAM community) have no problem with your opinion on the 6.1 change. We may think you are short sighted, not well thought out, and simply wrong on the subject... However I/we take no issue with having that opinion.

What people typically take issue with, is being called foolish and having their own opinion dismissed (even more so, when done by some hypocritical, entirely unaware troll who ironically tries to defend his trolling with the VERY BEHAVIOR HE ENTERED THE THREAD WITH).

I mean sure... Maybe you get your rocks off entirely from people reacting to your entirely hypocritical, self defeating stance you ran with... But you only discredit yourself when trying to insist it is everyone else attacking you, after the behavior you have exhibited and seem to be conveniently forgetting, despite being posted directly back in direct contradiction to your current claims.


I mean, the only one not seeing how silly you are acting up in here is you... And at this point, berating you with the obvious clearly isn't going to provide you any clarity or have any effect on your ironic posts...

Sorry you can't understand these extremely simple concepts. If anything, maybe think for a moment why everyone that isn't you agrees in regarding your cantankerous participation in this thread and its only you that seems to think childish name calling and slinging mud doesn't typically receive a negative response.


Pretending to be just far too ignorant to understand anything doesn't really buy you anything.

[FrogBiscuit]

Right & I apologize for it,

I won’t press any further

I didn't see this post before posting my last. I wont comment on this subject again and appreciate some recognition to the source of the backlash you experienced.


If you want to actually continue the conversation I'd be happy to hear and respond to why you might like the changes, even if it is night and day backwards from what I enjoy in the job (maybe we just end up agreeing to disagree). Feel free to think or even express that you think I am wrong in my opinion just the same, just know that we wont really get anywhere if you come back with the sentiment that everyone else is foolish or irrelevant, as you did originally.

[Vencio]

Okay...not sure where to truly start...

I am not entirely opposed to Kaiten being removed, while at the same time I still support the idea to merge at least some abilities (on a combo sequence akin to PvP's; probably best being AoEs) & either improve the current ones or simply remove ones that are not as useful or rather obsolete (my thoughts for instance is the SAM's third eye which I feel its not strong enough).

I did use Kaiten before 6.1 & while the change took me off guard I was slightly disappointed but kept moving forward regardless. I don't have the #s nor have the sophisticated math equations as to how its proven in such a logical manner, and sadly the vast of the community players seems to have shown such accuracy to object otherwise at the dev's approach (that's a great strong statement of proofs).

Being a casual Ps4 myself I am far wary that this very same community (not all of you but some) may only advocate this in the interests for your savage, endgame content supremacy & that's great! no objection to that; only concerns me that eventually it will come to reinforce later on as a "means of necessary" META that I am opposed as I still believe every job still delivers great result & shouldn't be deemed by the sheer numbers to whatever the META so created & ultimately it will affect some casuals (not speaking on behalf of anyone, rather reflecting in upon).

This similarly happened in WoW & still does, and certainly it was a huge movement back in FFXI that ultimately, just by solely engaging on fights with a party you were deemed right away by META. While I cannot allow past experiences still hindered my thoughts, nonetheless is it somewhat actively being enforced. Hence my reaction as to why I thought it was only for the elite/Player's only interests.

I will concede in saying Kaiten should NOT be removed & it stripped a portion of its job identity but big enough to cause such public concerns regardless of our affiliations, we all are concern Yoshi or whoever are perhaps tanking drastic approaches that will ultimately undermine the game & jobs altogether.

I still firmly believe certain abilities could be improved, removed or merged in, but only if deemed very necessarily & fitting for everyone that pays & plays this game.

Thats my reflection on it