VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

[Midareyukki]

I feel while Helmets wouldn't be applicable for them, headpieces and hats are and should be.
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if a modder can do it, why can't FFXIV team do it? Poor indie company with limited staff, or they just don't care enough?

Modders have also made stuff for helmets to work. It just hides the face model. It's not like Hrothgar aren't used to having their faces be replaced with humanoids in general by now, so it won't make that big a problem. As for Viera, I haven't personally tried them out, but I doubt they would look any worse for wear. Stuff would look ridiculous on some stuff I'd wager, which a little bit of tweaking would fix, but they would be no more ridiculous than half the modern stuff on Au Ra or Miqo'te as it is.


Three things
a) Square Enix has done three CGI movies and a bunch of photorealistic games since 2010. This level of graphic quality is peanuts for them. It's even what led to the infamous flower pot with more frames than a playable character back in 1.0, so if they can do a good job with low-poly stuff, this should be easy for them. Even the FF12 team would laugh.
b) For those who think "Oh, well they're using a low-end engine", first of all, it's the same engine as FF15 but scaled slightly down to work for an MMORPG. And secondly, as awkward as that engine might be, doing stuff like this is wholly within the engine's capabilities. Otherwise Modders wouldn't be able to do it themselves. Some stuff is as simple as a Metadata Switch, no adjustments required.
c) For those who still think "Oh but that'll push the polygon count"... a) You sure about that? You sure it will be that drastic a change? and b) That can be fixed.
People can't complain about bloody grapes in the new area and be so butthurt about player characters walking around with hats. I get we'd be more numerous than grapes... but the double standard persists. Grapes had more support than headgear for these races.

[SherlottaEryut]

But i dont wanna fight against you guys who just want wear helmets, i just ask these questions to think about, what, why... because that is somehting i have difficulties to understand, that players can not accept a race like it is, the simple fact that this race can not wear every helmet or helmets at all...

I can't accept the fact that we were promised more race-exclusive hairstyles to compensate for lack of headgear, only to then receive neither. To me, this is lazy work, merely an excuse for SE to do less.

I do not think these races deserve to exist just to stand by and watch everyone else get more headgear. We should either get more race-exclusive hairstyle as originally planned (Which I would prefer), or if SE are adamant they no longer want to carry through with that, then they should make us equal to the other races and give us all the headgear.

[Shiazirah]

@Midareyukki

"Because we want to be able to be like everyone else. "


i know i am not fair right now to you... You choosed Hrothgar, you are NOT like everyone else, okay? I choosed Viera, i am NOT like everyone else...


Dont missunderstand me, i get your point, you wanna wear what all "others" can wear because without you dont feel complete.
But again, i am asshole now: Choose another race if you want wear helmets. Because Viera and Hrothgar do not wear helmets...


What i miss here is the simple acceptance that you choosed a race which dont get everything, you choosed it by yurself, noone forced you, you dont get helmets and now are you complaining...

I accept every complain about the hairstuff, that all should be able to use the friseur to change hairstyle colors and such things...


Still i wanna point out, that you or better said, we!! choosed races with issues... in that case inclusive not beeing able to wear helmets....


serious, i miss this understanding here a little bit... feels like you wanna have a rabbittail on the antenna of your car because all of your neighbors have it too.... but you choosed your car without and you will not get it and you knew before...


I wish you luck to get your helmets and that it will fit your expectations, but i see a lack of acceptance to have a special race too! and at the end, you just look like everyone else in the crowd, so where exactly are you special then?? Wear the armor but play Roga and you looks the same...

[SturmChurro]

Okay, go though the bunch of work done by modders already and name one piece that truly is so ridiculous, Churro. Because let me tell you something, I've seen modders working and keeping people updated. You know the Non La hat we have? When they tried to make it work for Hrothgar, our mane clipped through everything. It looked like the hair was poking through the spaces between the straw (or whatever material it's made of). Guess what happened then: they realized that they needed tweaking and got to it, no more than a couple days later, that was fixed. And I very much doubt that stuff like that took them every hour of said "couple days". They work in their free time.

It isn't being fair. We know how headgear would work on us, all it takes are adjustments. Some minor, some not so minor. But guess what: that's SE's job, they're the ones paid for it. If they could adjust a handful of models to deal with Au Ra horns, then they can adjust for Viera ears. Do they look ridiculous? If everyone can live with Au Ra horns clipping, then they can live with Viera ears clipping.



Yeah, it would look really bad. But it might not. And just because it "could" it's a good reason not to? As you yourself admit, there is ridiculous clipping in other races, and it didn't stop at them. Why would it stop at Viera and Hrothgar?

Again: people are fine with clipping because as long as the really glaring issues are addressed (which they can be, and virtually are for all other races anyway), then they can turn a blind eye. It's better than having zero availability whatsoever.

It would look really ridiculous, more so on viera since their ears are adjustable and varied. You can have ears clipping directly through various sorts of accessories and the like. Au ra horns do clip through the same, but it's not as pronounced. It's not necessarily the clipping that's actually keeping them from doing it though, like I've said before, I think it's the precedent it would set. They would have to do more work regularly. Additionally, it seems they want to avoid headgear that requires hat hair, from what people have assumed. Ultimately, I think it really is that they just don't want to do the extra work for these races.

[Adamantini]

Just let me ask, how would you adjust a "platehelmet" for the Vieraears? I would simple say: i dont see a big chance to hide the ears nicely. And in your text i see that we understand eachother, so i think you get what i mean... i would like to get an idea how you would cover the ears, let them stick out, whatever....

Here are many examples of what to do with plate helmets. You can make metal ears, make protective bars, or just leave them free. It all depends on the helmet in question.

With the exception of the makai helmet, none of the designs I suggested. I will keep the authors confidential, as I do not want to cause problems for them. I took all the images from Twitter.

The second question I will answer next, since the post got too long

[Adamantini]

And last one: I am wondering why people can not accept, that a race simply can not wear helmets... it doesnt matter what "you" think about it, but its like it is: this race dont wear helmets. Why is that so difficult to accept? Lore as argument, they dont do it....

I can't accept it, because I don't get anything in return. It's really frustrating to see a lot of events offer helmets as a reward, and me not being able to wear any.

When this came into question, SE promised that we would have more character creation resources to compensate, and that's not what we got. We have less hair than everyone else, and the same amount of body modifications.

In addition, it has helmets that are very easy to get past the ears, so there is no excuse for these not being usable.

One more reason? There are helmets that simply complete the outfit as a whole. Using the Makai set without the helmet feels like something is missing. The new PvP set is the same.

Another issue: If I want a mogstation outfit, which comes with hair and helmet included, I'll have to pay full price, for something I won't be able to wear, just for the chest. Here they are already starting to mess with my real money, and not just aesthetically.

[Midareyukki]

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Just as how Churro chose Miqo'te. Or like I did when I chose to play Au Ra and Roegadyn before Hrothgar were released. How plenty more people chose to play their non-"limited" race. ...like, I'm sorry but... the hell. We ARE like everyone else in that we chose to play the races we felt more comfortable with and wanted to engage in. We did it knowing that these races weren't finished. We didn't do it thinking these races weren't ever going to be finished or tweaked or even being given any proper attention whatsoever.

"Choose another race if you want wear helmets. Because Viera and Hrothgar do not wear helmets..." How about no? Why would I? Because Square Enix told me I wasn't getting any? They themselves asked for feedback, everyone told them that they wanted helmets and hats to work. They're the ones being stubborn about it, because support and feedback has been made rather clear. This isn't "unique" to the races nor does it make them unique in any way. Au Ra having limbal rings on their eyes and horns? That's unique. Miqo'te having cat ears despite being humans? That's also unique. Lalafell being very small and cartoonish? That's also unique. Wearing headgear isn't uniqueness, it's not a racial trait. It's a development oversight that needs correcting.

Also if I choose a car like that, then odds are I can pay to have one installed myself. Which by the way is what people are doing: modding. OR usually it's because the car doesn't necessitate that and I didn't need one at the time of purchase, but over time began realizing it could be of use and then procured one.

You say you misunderstand, but frankly Shiazirah: You don't want to understand.

Because if you did, you'd have gotten the point by now.

[Shiazirah]

was trying to find something...

https://ffxiv.eorzeacollection.com/g...agitek-soldier


this helmetstyle is something i absolutly can go with, dont know who did that but thats a nice work how SE should do it...



@Midareyukki

"Because if you did, you'd have gotten the point by now."

You didnt got my point either.... and you write about the same all the time again, that you want that because you think your race should get it like every other one... no, the races we choosed are not like the others, you dont understand this, you dont want understand this...
You come with the technical facts how Miqos are, how Lalafels are, thats not the point here, the point is: Hrothgar and Vieras dont wear these humanhelmets... thats the only point, no point else you argue with... the only point SE have to argue with.. and deny anything more over that, independent of how much feedback they "want".


but however.... like i said: i wish you luck with that and that you get what you think you have to have on your race.

[Karowolus]

was trying to find something...

https://ffxiv.eorzeacollection.com/g...agitek-soldier


this helmetstyle is something i absolutly can go with, dont know who did that but thats a nice work how SE should do it...

Not a helmet. That's EC, it's using Vanilla, Ingame items. You can do that with the Fran Hairstyle on Viera and the Alexandrian Mask of Fending and Maiming.

[Midareyukki]

was trying to find something...

https://ffxiv.eorzeacollection.com/g...agitek-soldier


this helmetstyle is something i absolutly can go with, dont know who did that but thats a nice work how SE should do it...

Not bad. Genuinely good work right there. Wish SE actually did more of that.

But we know they're not going to do it. Stuff needs to fit as many races as possible, and it would just look weird on humanoid characters. Especially Elezen. So they're going to try and standardize their stuff, which is why we're keeping our expectations low. But that doesn't mean they should be so low they drill a hole to china.

If Au Ra horns clip and they don't care, why are we having our knickers in a twist over this potentially clipping?