VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

[grinkdaboy]

they probably don't put in as much effort because they know the hrothgar playerbase is already very minuscule compared to other races) that's not to say i don't like hrothgar, that's just what census data tells me

[RobynDaBank]

Yeah, the circlet I have on my character right now also floated on female Miqo'te, which made me stop using it at the time.

Also not a complaint, but I just can't help pointing out that I love this hairstyle that I'm using right now. With the highlights it almost looks like flames from the sides (fits my character's name ).

[XianRo]

Have any viera who own it checked if the princess tiara fits now or does it still float a foot of your head? I checked a site once when looking at genderlocked glam and thought "oh my god who approved that" and since theyre degendering more glams, the Prince/Princess sets may be next in 6.4.
I probably wont get it (the princess gown clips hideously on everything due to its size) but we have to see if the tiara still floats that noticably badly

[Midareyukki]

To be fair, I can't check the post because it's buried under a lot of trash, and the image is undated. Imgur doesn't help either. I'm not going to expect people to believe it simply out of my word, so feel free to dismiss the image itself.

And if it looks like it bothers me, it's because it does. Because I don't like half-assing stuff when I try to explain why I'm upset at things that are constantly regurgitated at the Hrothgar race all the time that ends up devaluing us and excusing dev oversight and quality assurance. Again, the person saying it doesn't bother me, they probably aren't even doing it out of malice. But the argument itself bothers me, and so many people have used it in an effort to discredit our feedback.

Overall? Kazhar is right: Hrothgars have had more and better updates, and we've now established a pattern for what we can expect in the future.

I feel that what we need the most is our lore being further explored and taken seriously. Because saying one thing, and then going like "Ah but your lore no longer counts because of a technicality" is ridiculous. The same goes for Vieras who, unlike us Hrothgar, only have the intro to an Alliance Raid to explore ANYTHING involving their lore. And you know what that is?

Fran looking at Orbonne Monastery and be like "Ah yes, my sisters guard this place, but it's nefarious".

....amazing worldbuilding right there on a race who definitely deserves a bit more than just "We guard these scary doors".

[Pip_Chick]

...amazing worldbuilding right there on a race who definitely deserves a bit more than just "We guard these scary doors".

To be fair they are at least consistent between the shards, the Vii's from the first also guarding scary doors.

But in all honesty, I am 100% in favour of more lore about them, both Hrothgar and Viera deserve better representation. We already have a lot of lore on Miquo'te (from the U tribe in Thanalan, the M tribe in the Peaks of Gyr Abania and some lore of the G tribe from G'Raha, I may be forgetting more, but these are the ones that came to mind atm), Au'ra (with Xaela having the Steppe and some representation in Ishgard if you do the DRK quest and Raen having the underwater city and Thavnair), Elezen (Having both Gridania and Ishgard), Lalafel (with Ul'dah) and Hyur (them being everywhere).

I would like the other races to have some time to shine, like visiting the Roegadin homeland and learning more about their culture. Venturing through Dalmasca and learning more about the Viera of the Source. And possibly try to salvage the burning dumpster that is Bozja, by giving it to a good and passionate writer that doesn't want a torture fest (would use the other terminology for it, but I will be put on the naughty list). Maybe visit the Bozjan resistance and see how are they doing, you know out of courtesy for helping ASAP during the final days. ... Just saying...

[grinkdaboy]

don't worry, i didn't take it personally. i can tell you're a passionate sort of person and it's that passion from you and others like you who helped them realize that hrothgar needed more work. i'm just speaking to the logic se probably has when dealing with this stuff. they plan their patches a certain way so you don't really see much course correction until later in the expansion, and even then it's only a half measure until the full measure happens at the next expansion's launch. something that kind of bugged me about viera lore too is how coincidentally viera culture is identical on the source and on the first. they might do something later down the line is what they were doing with the raen au ra is sticking them in places (terncliff in the shb trial questline, as well as thavnair) to expand them more.

[Midareyukki]

don't worry, i didn't take it personally. i can tell you're a passionate sort of person and it's that passion from you and others like you who helped them realize that hrothgar needed more work. i'm just speaking to the logic se probably has when dealing with this stuff. they plan their patches a certain way so you don't really see much course correction until later in the expansion, and even then it's only a half measure until the full measure happens at the next expansion's launch. something that kind of bugged me about viera lore too is how coincidentally viera culture is identical on the source and on the first. they might do something later down the line is what they were doing with the raen au ra is sticking them in places (terncliff in the shb trial questline, as well as thavnair) to expand them more.

Maybe I mean, one of two options is possible:
1 - Viera lore is written around Ivalice, in which case they can expand it with further explorations of Ivalice or have more data when we visit other locations with Viera and expand how they do things
2 - Viera lore is broad and Ivalice is just their quickest example. Meaning though the basic gist of Viera lore remains the same elsewhere, we'll see more to Viera than just Golmore Jungle.

Either way? It's already been established that other races are widespread through the world. We haven't yet visited Meracydia nor the New World, so it's entirely possible we'll see different settlements there.

Question is, will they really? Because while those for sure would be lovely, and the inclusion of Raen in Thavnair was definitely new and broke away a bit from what they've established about Yanxian-only Raen, this sort of exploration would really help boost the races they've since added. Give them more relevance and story. They really just need to take the chance.

[Pip_Chick]

My hopes for 7.0 regarding both Hrothgar and Viera are:
- Full compatability for all past, present and future hairstyles
- More compatability for headware, even if it's not all, allowing some variety in the styles would be nice + preferably all mogstation hats
- Au'ra, Viera and Hrothgar NPC's in the starting zones, (even if they cannot be interacted with)
- More Hrothgar and Viera representation in both the MSQ and Side Quests.

[RyuDragnier]

Want to know what I want? For us to reach the New World and encounter a tribe of Hrothgar living there, in a location that looks eerily similar to Cosmo Canyon (because why not?).

[Midareyukki]

Quick question, but you guys know the Legacy mark? The tattoo thing that Louisoix branded on you by accident when he teleported you into the future at the end of 1.0?

Where would it display on Hrothgar characters? Because now I'm curious: it it's under the collarbone tuft, it's just covered up.

Assuming you'd want to display it altogether, why didn't the devs just move the thing xD