VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

[Heavenchild]

In case of Garo sets I wish they would just let the Viera ears disappear. It feels not right to see my friends having fun with that funny garo fullarmours and I am just like... I don't belong here, cos I can't wear them. :/
The most important pieces of that sets are these special helmets. Only Viera can't wear them. That's not fair. :c
And I think it would destroy the design if we try to keep the bunnyears in case of that garohelmets.

[Shiazirah]

Independent of your wish to wear the helmets want i ask:

If you are a Viera with these ears, HOW are you gonna wear a helmet where your ears simply dont have space??

On first place, yes i understand anyone who want his/hers character wear everything independet the race.
On other hand have i to ask: how you think that should work in the right manner with accepting: YOU HAVE THESE EARS!


Just cut the ears off, are you not Viera anymore... So at the end, what you need as a Viera is a fixed helmet or you simply can not wear it because you have these long damn ears where a normal helmet doesnt work!


And yes, its a point of "roleplay" but serious... i have to laugh all the time when i see Vieras with things on the head and ears sticking out of it... If you do it, do it right like its done with the helmethairstyle you can choose (Fran wear the same i think ). And yes, i am one of the (few?) players who generally dont wear helmets on earraces... just because i see it from a point of realism. And that means: i need a helmet for Vieras, or i can not wear that helmet....


And so at the end am i wondering: was you not thinking just a minute, that Vieras, because of the ears, maybe not can wear every/any helmet? Just wondering, because if the helmet cuts the ears of, why choosed you to play Viera on first place? Because without ears its not a Viera anymore....

Just wondering and asking.... And yes, for the peace of the ones who want earstrate their bunnies: give them helmets!

[HollowedDoll]

Independent of your wish to wear the helmets want i ask:

If you are a Viera with these ears, HOW are you gonna wear a helmet where your ears simply dont have space??

On first place, yes i understand anyone who want his/hers character wear everything independet the race.
On other hand have i to ask: how you think that should work in the right manner with accepting: YOU HAVE THESE EARS!


Just cut the ears off, are you not Viera anymore... So at the end, what you need as a Viera is a fixed helmet or you simply can not wear it because you have these long damn ears where a normal helmet doesnt work!


And yes, its a point of "roleplay" but serious... i have to laugh all the time when i see Vieras with things on the head and ears sticking out of it... If you do it, do it right like its done with the helmethairstyle you can choose (Fran wear the same i think ). And yes, i am one of the (few?) players who generally dont wear helmets on earraces... just because i see it from a point of realism. And that means: i need a helmet for Vieras, or i can not wear that helmet....


And so at the end am i wondering: was you not thinking just a minute, that Vieras, because of the ears, maybe not can wear every/any helmet? Just wondering, because if the helmet cuts the ears of, why choosed you to play Viera on first place? Because without ears its not a Viera anymore....

Just wondering and asking.... And yes, for the peace of the ones who want earstrate their bunnies: give them helmets!

I always wanted to know why female miqote never wore pants, of course it's the tail. In hindsight it was quite obvious.

[Shiazirah]

When i see a lot of gear and the Miqotails i am wondering how that shall work in real... there would be limitations in that too... most Miqos maybe would wear skirts insted pants where the tail hang freely down... or cut big holes in the gear to fit the tail...
When i entered Ishgard and saw the Elezen there with the helmets with the earstuff aside.... head -> table.... yeah its just a game and all is possible, but some things are not easy to understand...


However..... if Square do something, should they put some love and interest in the case to make it looking nice. So that we can be pleased with the solution, if we like helmets/pants or not.
I think at least at that can we agree, i am sure about...

[Adamantini]

Independent of your wish to wear the helmets want i ask:

If you are a Viera with these ears, HOW are you gonna wear a helmet where your ears simply dont have space??

Imagination! I'm not being sarcastic. With a little creativity, you can find a way to fit bunny ears to any helmet. "Oh, but I didn't like the design", then that's another personal question.

On other hand have i to ask: how you think that should work in the right manner with accepting: YOU HAVE THESE EARS!

yes, I accept and like them. This does not change what I said above.
I've already given examples of what the community did to solve many helmets that apparently had no solution. I already gave some tips on what to do, I can put it here again if you want to take a look.

And yes, i am one of the (few?) players who generally dont wear helmets on earraces... just because i see it from a point of realism. And that means: i need a helmet for Vieras, or i can not wear that helmet....

I understand you, because I also like realism. For this reason, I refuse to simply cut off the ears of the Vieras so they can wear helmets. I prefer a slow process, where helmet by helmet is adjusted to the race, than disappearing with my ears. As you said yourself: If I didn't like the ears, I would choose another race.

As you said in your second post: If SE puts in a little love (and effort) they are able to make it work. I may not like the design of one helmet or another, but I'd rather have something that I find ugly, among others that I like, than never having the possibility to wear helmets (and some are very easy to fit the ears rabbit)

[Midareyukki]

Going by what people said when Hrothgar hairstyles were revealed, as unfortunate as the situation may be, people would excuse clipping over stuff being removed\hidden away.

[SturmChurro]

Going by what people said when Hrothgar hairstyles were revealed, as unfortunate as the situation may be, people would excuse clipping over stuff being removed\hidden away.

To be fair, with a lot of the headgear the clipping would be pretty ridiculous. I don't just mean ears clipping through hair, or some of the tail clipping. It would look really, really bad on some pieces. Not that there isn't already some pretty ridiculous clipping. In a perfect world they would adjust headgear for the races, or have an alternative variation of select headgear.

[Shiazirah]

How less love and effort they was putting in the Vierarace shows the hair already.
If i am not mistaking Vierahair use use another itemplacesystem ( or added i am not sure 100%) and even there was they not making nice hairstyles which dont go through the ears.... I allways have the feeling, they put out things just to put them out, but dont do the small adjustments...

The helmets are just the biggest part of something i simply wanna call "the missing love mystery" of developers... Vierafeets are another part, Vierahair the next.... It cant be that difficult to make Vierahair which respect the Vieraears...

Helmets the same, they should just start with the simple ones easy to adapt....


Just let me ask, how would you adjust a "platehelmet" for the Vieraears? I would simple say: i dont see a big chance to hide the ears nicely. And in your text i see that we understand eachother, so i think you get what i mean... i would like to get an idea how you would cover the ears, let them stick out, whatever....

And last one: I am wondering why people can not accept, that a race simply can not wear helmets... it doesnt matter what "you" think about it, but its like it is: this race dont wear helmets. Why is that so difficult to accept? Lore as argument, they dont do it....

But i dont wanna fight against you guys who just want wear helmets, i just ask these questions to think about, what, why... because that is somehting i have difficulties to understand, that players can not accept a race like it is, the simple fact that this race can not wear every helmet or helmets at all...

[Midareyukki]

To be fair, with a lot of the headgear the clipping would be pretty ridiculous.

Okay, go though the bunch of work done by modders already and name one piece that truly is so ridiculous, Churro. Because let me tell you something, I've seen modders working and keeping people updated. You know the Non La hat we have? When they tried to make it work for Hrothgar, our mane clipped through everything. It looked like the hair was poking through the spaces between the straw (or whatever material it's made of). Guess what happened then: they realized that they needed tweaking and got to it, no more than a couple days later, that was fixed. And I very much doubt that stuff like that took them every hour of said "couple days". They work in their free time.

It isn't being fair. We know how headgear would work on us, all it takes are adjustments. Some minor, some not so minor. But guess what: that's SE's job, they're the ones paid for it. If they could adjust a handful of models to deal with Au Ra horns, then they can adjust for Viera ears. Do they look ridiculous? If everyone can live with Au Ra horns clipping, then they can live with Viera ears clipping.

It would look really, really bad on some pieces. Not that there isn't already some pretty ridiculous clipping. In a perfect world they would adjust headgear for the races, or have an alternative variation of select headgear.

Yeah, it would look really bad. But it might not. And just because it "could" it's a good reason not to? As you yourself admit, there is ridiculous clipping in other races, and it didn't stop at them. Why would it stop at Viera and Hrothgar?

Again: people are fine with clipping because as long as the really glaring issues are addressed (which they can be, and virtually are for all other races anyway), then they can turn a blind eye. It's better than having zero availability whatsoever.

But i dont wanna fight against you guys who just want wear helmets, i just ask these questions to think about, what, why... because that is somehting i have difficulties to understand, that players can not accept a race like it is, the simple fact that this race can not wear every helmet or helmets at all...

Because we want to be able to be like everyone else. At no point did Square Enix make it a guarantee that these races would forever be in this state, nor that with enough fan support they wouldn't get stuff done. Just because you have the option of not wearing helmets or any other complex headgear doesn't mean you shouldn't have the option. You don't know if other people want to try and wear a full helmet themselves.

What if I wanted to cosplay into a Judge of Wings character as a Viera? I have a Judge sort of armour, but I'm not allowed to wear a helmet. Yet everyone else can.

Sure, you don't understand why we can't just let it go. But the answer isn't that complex: it's just sheer availability and fairness. If others can wear it, why wouldn't we? "Because it's too complex"? Square Enix has done more complex stuff than that, and hell! Other MMOs have more complex stuff in their own unique races. So why would this be so different?

You're okay with not wearing headgear yourself? Cool for you, but that doesn't mean it's a standard everyone else should share.

[juicybug]

Independent of your wish to wear the helmets want i ask:

If you are a Viera with these ears, HOW are you gonna wear a helmet where your ears simply dont have space??

On first place, yes i understand anyone who want his/hers character wear everything independet the race.
On other hand have i to ask: how you think that should work in the right manner with accepting: YOU HAVE THESE EARS!


Just cut the ears off, are you not Viera anymore... So at the end, what you need as a Viera is a fixed helmet or you simply can not wear it because you have these long damn ears where a normal helmet doesnt work!


And yes, its a point of "roleplay" but serious... i have to laugh all the time when i see Vieras with things on the head and ears sticking out of it... If you do it, do it right like its done with the helmethairstyle you can choose (Fran wear the same i think ). And yes, i am one of the (few?) players who generally dont wear helmets on earraces... just because i see it from a point of realism. And that means: i need a helmet for Vieras, or i can not wear that helmet....


And so at the end am i wondering: was you not thinking just a minute, that Vieras, because of the ears, maybe not can wear every/any helmet? Just wondering, because if the helmet cuts the ears of, why choosed you to play Viera on first place? Because without ears its not a Viera anymore....

Just wondering and asking.... And yes, for the peace of the ones who want earstrate their bunnies: give them helmets!

All visible headpieces/gear and hats should be in game right now for them. Proof how good it can look below. *edited my quote to reflect images* <3

A quick google search led me to these images

if a modder can do it, why can't FFXIV team do it? Poor indie company with limited staff, or they just don't care enough?