Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

[Allegor]

"We either do things this way, and you get shared hair with no ears on a reg bases ... or we do unique Hrothgar hair, and you get very few and very rarely get them (Which could literally mean "1 new hair an expac" for ya. People don't seem to think of that extreme, but we generally get few hairs an expac for reg races in the best of cases)".

I was always under the impression that was to be the case all along, either that or the "exclusive hairstyles down the line" was a mistranslation I missed. I mean, afterall, Hrothgar clearly don't have human shaped heads and the hairstyles they do have are closer to manes than, well, hair? it just...made sense, idk.

That's why I was both surprised and lowkey insulted we got Viera hand-me-downs - the fact the majority assumed it was an april fools joke just shows how objectively bad those hairstyles were. It's kind of a "they were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should" moment imo.

It might be seen as "feeling insulted" but people need to know that there will be drawbacks before they blindly scream for 1 thing over another. That's the interesting thing about Female Hrothgar, they would have had to be designing them with shared hair in mind because it makes zero sense to repeat these decisions that landed them in this mess. I have no clue wtf they're gonna do with their heads, I can only hope they pulled a "Furry Miqote/ Mithra" head so that they can use hair without a problem. People are prob not gonna blow a pipe over the females not having their ears on the top of their forehead, so reuse the Miqote system and skip that nightmare I say.

yeh, about that....

[MellowMink]

I don’t understand how there’s not only a decent amount of people who think that female Hrothgar shouldn’t be made since resources or some other double standard, but how they also think it’s fair that people who prefer playing as male characters should have more race options that those who prefer playing as female characters.

If you introduce male Viera, you should also have plans for female Hrothgar, or you’re being unbalanced; it’s really that simple. It is a good thing that developers are working on adding female Hrothgar to the game now, but the community should have been surveyed long ago in design stages about whether people would be okay with the idea of gender-locked races before the decision was made to go ahead with what would ultimately be an unpopular design limitation. Players also weren’t surveyed about whether they’d be okay with newer Hrothgar hairstyles having mutilated ears before time was spent working on inferior hair options, and you can see how well that turned out.

Some people also said earlier that this happened because Square Enix originally didn’t have plans to have two gender options to the two races, which… yes? What about it? That’s not providing new information. They shouldn’t have had any arbitrarily gender-locked mechanics in the first place, whether it be with races or clothes, and if the work is only partially complete like the currently limited headgear options for both races, then either hire more developers or don’t release things in an incomplete state.

[reivaxe]

I was always under the impression that was to be the case all along, either that or the "exclusive hairstyles down the line" was a mistranslation I missed. I mean, afterall, Hrothgar clearly don't have human shaped heads and the hairstyles they do have are closer to manes than, well, hair? it just...made sense, idk.

Again, EVERYTHING . Comes . At . A . Cost.

Yeah, they said they would do that ... all the way before ShB even came out.
What happened? Welp, ShB came out and around 5.1 these races bitched about not getting new hair as it became clear that they weren't adding the new ones to them to people who didn't pay attention to what YP said before. Around 6 months after ShB released, the graphics team came to YP with a way to make the genders. They never intended to make these sexes, btw, so that would make their hair plans twice as hard.
Followed by years of Hrothgar bitching about having to pay to change their hair and wanting shared hair (It is VERY easy to find pics of Hrothgars modding in shared hair that they like on social media. Hell, there's people here posting the "Clipping and good choices vs no clipping and bad choices!" picture. Yes, some Hrothgar clearly want shared hair even if not all of them do) AND wanting hair options in general and here we are.


So lets imagine they stayed the course.
6.0 comes and Viera don't get any new shared hairs. They bring in Male Viera and now people must wait however long it takes them to make NEW Female hair AND Male hair for Viera. Hrothgar get nothing also, and when Female Hrothgar are added they have to make new unique hair and heads for both of them at some point and ignore all the feedback saying "Shared hair and don't make me pay $10 to change hair". That's ... it. We don't have a single new hairstyle in 6.0 that doesn't belong to male Viera yet, we can't know how long it would take them to even start making unique Viera only hair (let alone make male and female unique hair) or how many they would make by now. With these races having both sexes, it simply makes sense to try to treat them like other races when it comes to hair.

Hrothgar may be outraging themselves into a situation where in they have to wait 3 years for a single new Hrothgar hairstyle, perhaps that was the plan before the ShB feedback.

That's why I was both surprised and lowkey insulted we got Viera hand-me-downs

I thought they were Viere hand-me-downs as well at first, but 6.1 proves that's not the case. The devs aren't picking hair that they think would look good on Viera and just throwing it at Hrothgar, they're simply picking 5.X hair and going from oldest to newest with the shared hair. You can say that that sucks for Hrothgar because they're dude cats that don't look good in every hairstyle, but they're not a male only race anymore in SE's eyes.

yeh, about that....

IDK the point behind quoting me and posting that. That looks cursed/ off because a modder modded a male Hrothgar face onto a female Miqote. We can all agree that SE isn't going to make their faces look like THAT, much of the problem with that is the nose and mouth being as wide and the head.

The concept of "some level of furry Mithra/ Miqote head" isn't forfeit because a modder made something that looks off. Just google "Bless Pantera and Mascu races". Or hell, The Lops from 6.0 have clearly stylized animal faces that are more beast like than Miqote.

[Allegor]

I just happened to see it on social media and thought it fitted your comment about Hrothgals likely having more uniform/humanoid heads to not repeat the same mistake as with the males, which is, sadly, the most likely outcome. Plus would be as close as what your version of the 'ideal' Hrothgal is - Miqote 2.0 - except with an actual cat face rather than a human's /shrug

That said, I still think Khajiits would be a much better and fitting design inspiration for Hrothgals than whatever human-not-human that Bless waifu is.

[Jybril]

With how terrible they've been treating the male's I'm not even sure I want to anymore lol.

[LisSquid]

That said, I still think Khajiits would be a much better and fitting design inspiration for Hrothgals than whatever human-not-human that Bless waifu is.

Khamira is best cat <3333

[reivaxe]

I just happened to see it on social media and thought it fitted your comment about Hrothgals likely having more uniform/humanoid heads to not repeat the same mistake as with the males, which is, sadly, the most likely outcome. Plus would be as close as what your version of the 'ideal' Hrothgal is - Miqote 2.0 - except with an actual cat face rather than a human's /shrug

That said, I still think Khajiits would be a much better and fitting design inspiration for Hrothgals than whatever human-not-human that Bless waifu is.

I try to look at the "why" behind everything. Going to the full animal face is the "why" behind Hrothgar male's problems, because if you want people to read different animal faces as different ... then you need to make them more different to each other structurally, because humans can't read subtle differences in animal faces the way we read it in humans. (Was thinking about this recently. The reason a B2P game like GW2 can make tons of unique hair for their unique races is BECAUSE they force everyone to pay to change hair. There's an incentive to make tons of new hair AND faces to make people pay you something. FF14 aint that, hair is a rarely added reward for content and as such it's just better to have it be easy to use for everyone. No race requires the amount of tomfoolery as Hrothgar to make hair look good on them.)

So yeah, though I'd be cool with them having attractive, feminine, upright female bods and Khajiit faces, I know that that's gonna result in these problems a 2nd time.

I personally think they could turn out like Loporrits face wise (which isn't that far from Bless races). Loporrit have clearly stylized/ non-human/ beast faces, but also look cute and expressive AND flat. They're styled in a way that would allow for some easily diverse faces without making them look like completely different types of creatures. So something that looks like a more mature version of loporrit face with clearly cat nose would be interesting. Going for a somewhat slightly more cat faced Bless Panter would be fine to in my book.

With how terrible they've been treating the male's I'm not even sure I want to anymore lol.

I see it the otherway, them even trying to make the males more inline with other races screams that the females are being made with these thoughts in mind. YP knew the Hrothgar ears thing wasn't idle from the start, would be sideways silly to have not thought about addressing that for females, as they're still green lighting faces.

[SherlottaEryut]

I don’t understand how there’s not only a decent amount of people who think that female Hrothgar shouldn’t be made since resources or some other double standard, but how they also think it’s fair that people who prefer playing as male characters should have more race options that those who prefer playing as female characters.

I can't see anyone who are saying Female Hrothgar shouldn't be made, all I can see are people fearing the final outcome of their design based on how male Hrothgar are treated... You know Female Hrothgar are pretty much set in stone to be included, right?? So it really wouldn't matter if people are against their implementation at this point. Look how many protested against the Hrothgar's earless hairstyles before 6.1, both on the JPN and ENG forums we all asked for them to be postponed and they launched them anyway.

My personal opinion is that F-Hroths should be further postponed until male Hrothgar are up to scratch, because as I said, a new race's gender takes up many resources and I think it would be best suited into SE righting their wrong first. I even said this before male Viera were brought in, that SE should focus on the current limited races before bringing in new ones with the exact same issues. People enjoy it because it's all fun and new at first, but eventually the novelty wears off and it only results in SE making a bunch of money from fantasias.

I remember I voiced my disappointment on the forums at F-Viera and M-Hrothgars neglect for 3 years, just because SE were busy creating male Viera.... The amount of new male Viera's who came at me at 6.0's launch, preaching how they won't ever get sick of it and yet, when I look at their profile icons now they fantasia'd to a different race. Lack of hats and hairstyles gets to people eventually, the novelty does wear off for the majority, while only a few stick it out and continue to wait for our next drip of hairstyles.

Some people also said earlier that this happened because Square Enix originally didn’t have plans to have two gender options to the two races, which… yes? What about it? That’s not providing new information.

Some people, you mean me? It was in response to what you said "It’s weird that Square Enix didn’t just do both male and female Viera for Shadowbringers"

Bare in mind, F-Viera and M-Hrothgar were supposed to be the last two races, with no gender counterpart planned, so I assume they were supposed to be each others 'unique' counterpart. So if they did follow your suggestion and made both male and female Viera in Shadowbringers, do you really think they still would have made Hrothgar? Knowing how many resources were taken up already. I reckon they wouldn't of considered anymore new races after Viera, it would've been done and dusted.

[FawkesWyznfarr]

It's so fugged how good hroths look with hats and a straight posture.

[D3AFN3SS1337]

This is VERY cursed! I'd rather pick (my) Khajiit over this.