Healing Spells You Do Not Mind Being Removed in PvE

[currentlemon]

We all know that all healer jobs are bloated with healing abilities. It's been a major complaint for some time now. I do believe that SE needs to get rid of some of healing spells or merge them with other abilities. Given how much praise the healers are receiving in PvP, I think now would be a good time to generate a debate on this topic.

As a former WHM main, Cure I needs a trait that upgrades to Cure II. I think every WHM main can agree to this. I also wouldn't mind if SE outright removes Asylum.

Merging the lily spells with Cure II and Medica would also be a good idea in my opinion. Whenever a lily is up, Cure II turns into Afflatus Solace and Medica becomes Afflatus Rapture. Perhaps have the WHM gain these Afflatus spells at an earlier level (maybe level 30). I give credit to Sarixis for this idea.

I just started playing SGE, so I don't know what can be removed. But if anyone has any ideas on SGE or the other two healer jobs, feel free to discuss here.

As of May 25th, 2024:

I suggest the following changes to prevent button bloat issues in the future for WHM.

Remove the "Free Cure" Trait
Have Cure I upgrade to Cure II
Have Medica I upgrade to Medica II (with reduced MP Cost and Heal Potency)
Merge Benison with Aquaveil and leave it with two charges

Since DT is coming out soon, this topic is still somewhat relevant. Healers are still bloated with too many healing abilities (and said healing abilities are too powerful). Let's discuss this again. Which Healing actions for all Healer Jobs would not mind being removed from the game or toned down to some degree

[Chyro]

I don't want healing abilities removed until my hotbars look bare like that of a summoner.
I want to have more reason to be using them more often.

[QooEr]

dont know if it counts as removing but i absolutely despised celestial opposition becoming aspected helios. we already had CU and star for aoe healing, bring the time magic back !!! ast could use merging exaltation and intersection too. benefic 1 isnt even in my hotbar so i dont care what happens to it.

scholar could easily lose fey blessing and nobody would miss it. fey union is on thin ice. excogitation was nice when it was scholars new shiny toy but if losing "lustrate but better" meant getting miasma or shadowflare back i would definitely do it. scholar absolutely did not need protraction either.

sage has the same thing with druochole and taurochole as sch with excogitation. just buff the little heal and let us have more interesting skills instead. tauro doesnt even stack with kera anyways so it feels pointless. i like soteria but i wouldnt be sad to see it go unless they actually start playing with the idea of multiple kardia targets

I don't want healing abilities removed until my hotbars look bare like that of a summoner.
I want to have more reason to be using them more often.

i rather they make space for other not-healing gcds since im going to be pressing dps skills for 90% of any encounter anyways

[Allegor]

WHM is the healer that needs pruning the least, but I do like the idea of spells switching to their Afflatus counterparts if there's a lily, that way they don't need to replace or remove anything, but still free up some space, and it's not like you'd use both versions simultaneously anyways - or, as much as it would count toward homogenization, give it a toggle like Eukrasia if you don't want to spend a lily.

Cure II - Solace
Medica - Rapture
Holy - Misery

That's 3 slots that can be used for - hopefully but unlikely - new dps or non-healing utility stuff

i like soteria but i wouldnt be sad to see it go unless they actually start playing with the idea of multiple kardia targets

Same, it's not bad, but it's mostly 'just there'. Aoe Kardia would be neat and further solidify Sage's identity as the 'dps healer'

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Well they nerfed essential dignity potency and gave an extra opposition charge and the new button all healers got. When before you jus whack the one button. I wouldn't mind the extra buttons if there was more damage but there really isn't. It just feels like what could be done with 1 press now needs 2 for no reason and that's annoying. My joy of astro took a huge hit when they changed the cards in shadowbringers and now the job is just dead to me, it's sad. The flavour of the job is gone.

[IceBlueNinja]

Well they nerfed essential dignity potency and gave an extra opposition charge and the new button all healers got. When before you jus whack the one button. I wouldn't mind the extra buttons if there was more damage but there really isn't. It just feels like what could be done with 1 press now needs 2 for no reason and that's annoying. My joy of astro took a huge hit when they changed the cards in shadowbringers and now the job is just dead to me, it's sad. The flavour of the job is gone.

100% agreed with you my exact same feelings.

[Lubu_Mykono]

I don't care what they remove, I want Aero, Thunder, Miasma II and Shadow Flare back on my Scholar.
That or just give me a classic server.

[Nizzi]

Scholar could absolutely lose Fey Blessing and and Protraction and nothing would really change about how SCH heals. If they don't want to get rid of Fey Blessing entirely, they can just combine it with Whispering Dawn or add another charge to Indomitability. Protraction is very much a "we didnt want to give only one new button" ability. I'd be wary to give up Excogitation because it's definitely a very nice ability and my favorite of any healers' (I love being able to have a placed heal on a timer on someone) but it definitely does almost completely invalidate Lustrate as a button, which is an issue.
If losing 2-3 of these would give some of SCH's DPS options back, I would absolutely happily adjust. If losing Excog means I have to spend more Aetherflow on healing AND it gives me more DPS options to play with as well, there's no way I would refuse that.

[QooEr]

I don't car what they remove, I want Aero, Thunder, Miasma II and Shadow Flare back on my Scholar.
That or just give me a classic server.

same. i would love to have a server for heavensward

[Bsrking5]

99% of the ocgds. I can see each having their own single one. Like whm having benediction, ast earthly star, sch excog, sage Kerachole. I want a full rework of the healing roles thou