Healing Spells You Do Not Mind Being Removed in PvE

[Iedarus]

I made a thread which covers this, a little. Totally not a shameless plug. >.>
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...n-top-of-it...

[SpiralMask]

i could see half the OGCDs being removed easily on the two shield healers with very little impact on overall gameplay, which would open many buttons to be used for more flavorful actions or downtime activities such as resource management (more addersgall stuff? literally any skills fro the faerie guage which is limited to only a single skill at present?), buffs, debuffs, or *gasp* dps options.

[QooEr]

I made a thread which covers this, a little. Totally not a shameless plug. >.>
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...n-top-of-it...

how does sacred soil contribute nothing to the jobs design? its been since ARR and even without the regen 10% mitigation on a 30s cd is insanely strong.
same with seraph. seraph might just be reskinned rouse but the point of it was to buff the fairy, which is part of the core of scholar.

[Recon1o6]

how does sacred soil contribute nothing to the jobs design? its been since ARR and even without the regen 10% mitigation on a 30s cd is insanely strong.
same with seraph. seraph might just be reskinned rouse but the point of it was to buff the fairy, which is part of the core of scholar.

its worse than rouse as it locks you out of part of your kit and as far as i can tell, still was the wonky timer and occasional ghost. I've always thought its a nerfed rouse

As for me
Whm: change plenary to give everyone faith and bravery. Cure 1 upgrades to 2 and have it upgrade when lily is available (alternative, upgrade to cure 3 with its mp cost halved) move temperance back to level 42 where it was before the new coat of paint and get a new level 80 capstone.

Sch: physick upgrades to adloquim, return rouse to lower levels and make seraph useful. Change dissipation so its something that works with the fairy not kills it. Delete dissolve union, combine energy drain and aetherflow. Use energy drain first then it swaps to aetherflow.
Most importantly, bring back selene and eos and give the pets their actions back. Tbh I'm not experienced with sch past level 60 since sb because I never played it in sb onwards

Astro: I don't forgive them for deleting noct sect, cards or time magic. To begin with restoring CO back to what it was. CI can upgrade to Exaltation. Benefic 1 upgrade to benefic 2. Combine draw/play. MA can function with one press from regular draw again. Change neutral sect because its overkill. Delete undraw like it should have been years ago.

Return time dilation, cards, sects (because the regen/barrier healer split was a stupid false excuse to cut more from astro) but combined to 1 button to swap between them

Sage: Krasis can go as can zoe. Just fold zoe's potency buff into Pneuma

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

The most requested of all: their basic heals morphing into its next, more powerful version when player have at least enough MP to cast the more powerful version. Or just a straight up upgrade via lv30 trait, or 26 for AST.

Going specifically into each healers...

AST

• Undraw
  How did this button even survive this long?
• Crown Play
  Why do we even need a different button...
• Celestial Intersection OR Exaltation
  This is a hard pick. I like both but with the bloat it's either one or another. The missing potencies or damage reduction could be added back into Essential Dignity and/or incorporated into either of these two, whichever that survives the purge. I personally prefer to keep the delayed healing to retain every single bits of their Time Mage flavor.
• Trashdyne
  Ah yes. Lock away that sweet MP regen behind a stupid mechanism just to keep the seals relevant. Rework it, or get out of my sight.

SCH

• Fey Blessing
  Why do you even exist-button. Seriously, why? If only you kept your fae gauge spending perk into EW and become more frequently useable instead of being 120s cooldown OR into this abomination you are in EW a.k.a. 2nd rate Indomitability.
• Summon Eos/Selene
  It's one or another. If we want to pick color we could've just use a similar command to /egiglamour that SMN gets. But oh wait. I forgot our icon's color is green, so we won't ever get this.
• Protraction
  Yes you are nice. But this feels like the "we can't let people think we ignore SCH too much so here's 1 more extra"-button. You could've been a fae related ability that we learned in the same level, but here we are!
• Aetherflow, and its entire Aetherflow stack gauge.
  Just.delete.this.crapshit. Of course this means it requires a good rehaul for their system. I think if this were to be committed it opens more window for better, cohesive SCH's kits. I.e. Lustrate, Indomitability, & Excogitation being relieved from being aetherflow locked buttons; Energy Drain becomes the new 'aetherflow' button but can be rehashed into 20s, or 30s cooldown while having fae gauge it generates adjusted accordingly. Make the fae gauge actually worth a damn thing instead of just being a catalyst for our faerie to pi$$ from the edge of arena, goddamnit.

SGE

• Krasis
  Debatable. I feel like this is "all healer receive something at this level so we should let them have something too"-button. I find it has even less uses than SCH's Protraction unless I want to be coordinative way beyond how I usually want to play.
• Dyskrasia
  This is me being biased. I hate this button. Why can't they have another sort of AoE shape? Why it has to be point-blank circle as well?

Not sure what I want to remove from WHM since they're probably the one that suffers the least from button bloat amongst 4 healers.

[ASkellington]

For AST I can see a slew of things but honestly?

Undraw

By and large the most useless skill in the game. I don't think you can come up with a worse one. There is 0 reason for an AST to want to Undraw a card. You can make a reason for other niche skills.

Astrodyne

Screw off with this crappy seals system. This is legit the only reason why this skill exists. Further, why as a party buffing class would I want to BUFF MYSELF?

Neutral Sect

Shouldn't have been a skill in the first place. We don't need the extra healing. The "buff" doesn't even work with our oGCDs where I'd personally like it. It gave a reason to delete Nocturnal sect ("cause you still have shields with this!"). Invalidates our lore (not that SE cares). And ultimately if you wanted this to even be a thing a BETTER idea would be to make Diurnal and Noctural a toggle and have AST be a stance dancer!

Obligatory upgrade Benefic 1 to Benefic 2.

Celestial Intersection should either get another effect or straight up upgrade into Exaltation (with it being a weaker version).

Were we to get Nocturnal back, I could see keeping it. As it stands right now? I don't believe AST or WHM should have a shield (WHM could and should get protect back imo). We have SHIELD healers. And further Exaltation fits ASTs regen/time based healing theme much better.

...Hot take but I can see Collective Unconciousness being removed. It isn't a bad skill and it still has its uses, but the moment I hit lv70 I use it less and less. Anything I could use it for I can also use Macrocosmos or Celestial Opposition OR Earthly Star OR Neutral Sect (hey just cause I want it gone doesn't mean it will be gone and its the truth here). It doesn't NEED to go and you can make arguments for why it SHOULDN'T go but I can SEE it going with little issues.

Going back to Shb and allowing Lord/Lady of Crowns to come from a normal card would be a welcome change. One less button for us to press, we no longer have the crappy seals system, so any card we deem "useless" or better said not helpful could turn into a heal or aoe damage.

[IckeDerTyp]

Every 2nd ogcd heal~

[Liam_Harper]

...Hot take but I can see Collective Unconciousness being removed. It isn't a bad skill and it still has its uses, but the moment I hit lv70 I use it less and less.

Hot take indeed because it's an insanely good skill for a Pure healer, being basically 10% raid mitigation on a 1 minute cooldown that also heals. In the hands of a good player it blows Temperance out of the water. You should be using it all the time.

Neutral too is a ridiculously good button. If you ever have to GCD heal in a raid, you let the AST do it because a Neutral Asp Helios with a prepped Horo Helios is insane potency. I see players having the SCH or SGE use a GCD shield for heavy damage and sleeping on just how good this is.

There's a lot of hot takes in this thread really. Removing oGCD's being the big one. You can tell at a glance who the Medica II spammers are.
I think Rein hit the nail on the head though.

[UkcsAlias]

We have SHIELD healers. And further Exaltation fits ASTs regen/time based healing theme much better.

In team fortress 2 the medic applies a shield through healing called overhealing (and yes! some classes can self heal/shield). I think that becaue of this pure healers can have a shield capability just as fine as shielders. Its just the priority in the kit that is diffirent. Pure healers simply have less shields available.

And having this mixed capability can be welcome on both of them, because bosses can sometimes do very heavy damaging attacks, shields are often good to avoid players getting at critical health. Critical health is on that always a problem since you cant always avoid getting a chained attack in such events. Its not like they will conflict anyway. If anything conflicts its simply having too much heals of 1 type (either both are pure or both are shield healers, as mix they often synergize very well)

[Silver-Strider]

After the changes to the Lily System, Tetra sticks out like a sour thumb.
Weaker potency than Solace at 3 times the "CD". I'm actively encouraged to use Lilies more now that Tetra is just that emergency heal for when I'm out of Lilies but at the same time, it just feels unnecessary as well.

I'd also merge Aqua Veil and Divine Benison into a single skill since there's no reason to have them be separate.

Then, ofc the obligatory Cure 1 merging with Cure 2