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    Quote Originally Posted by Carmabis View Post
    But what do you mean "why does it matter"?
    Well, why does it matter if people's preferences are socially conditioned? That doesn't change the fact people now have a preference for certain things. And if you're a business, you'd want to cater to those preferences. And this is assuming that male/female interests are solely socially conditioned, which they are not.
    Quote Originally Posted by Carmabis View Post
    Where are your statistics that a majority of women prefer feminine styles?
    Do I need to cite a source if I say the sky is blue, too?

    You're really hung up on the whole women being objectified thing and I can sense some disdain there, but it's really not that deep. Everyone's different, people have different preferences. Not all women like feminine clothing, and that's fine. But there are plenty of women, the majority even, that do enjoy more feminine clothing because they like how they look in that style. It's as simple as that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Senn View Post

    Do I need to cite a source if I say the sky is blue, too?
    Of course not! But if you say the sky is blue because a bunch of blue faries just decide to hang out up there during the day, then you'd probably have to get some proof to back it up before people started looking at you like you were crazy, which is why I clarified if those statistics would consider outside factors that actively impede a woman's life if she does not conform for the feminine standard. Because when you say "a majority of women prefer feminine styles", you're implying that your proof is just that a lot of women wear them. Clear cut example, in ffxiv, when you don't have the option to otherwise, how does that correlate to "wanting" to, rather than "feel forced to" or "have to".

    Chicken or the egg, did women naturally want to keep being enforced into outfits that require rigorous focus on themselves by showing skin that they must shave before they show, shirts that show off their chest tastefully yet not too much depending on how they want to come across because their chests can't just exist, or does someone benefit from convincing women to continuously police their own outfits to fit a standard that gets the foot off their neck slightly? Would love you to take a look into objectification studies and how men literally trigger parts of their brain when viewing scantily-clothed women as if they're looking at a lamp (aka object), how people on average preform worse when theyre being watched, and how women preformed worse on a test dressed in a bathing suit than when dressed in a way they could choose with no other changed factors (no one actually watching them). Pretty interesting when it all comes together.
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