Quote Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami View Post
They didn’t die to the final days. They died to the sundering. Is this really so hard to understand? They survived the final days itself. Idk why the person above is saying only 3 survived. We know a not insignificant amount of ancients survived the final days itself. It’s the sundering that rendered them extinct. The “life” you claim to care so much about was ftmp, soulless. If you’re going to apply that logic, then by all means, you must agree that it is incredibly unethical for the wol and the sundered to create primals or familiars or constructs only to have them be killed, used as entertainment(colosseum), or worse. They succeeded in the trial itself. My point anyways was the original person was saying they deserved to be erased because they failed the test. That’s not true. Secondly let’s not act like all of the sundered succeeded. It was because of 7-8 people with the help of the ancients that they were even able to succeed. Most of the normal sundered gave in incredibly quickly to despair. Imagine if the WoL who is what, 8 times rejoined? Hadn’t been there. They’d be completely demolished.
Maybe it is unethical for the WoL to create beings like the primals for thier own ends. I'm not sure. When I say something "raises a question" that does not mean I'm necessarily advocating for that position, but that the text itself is asking us to think about it.

As for the test, in my view the sundering is an event that is caused by the final days - as are the rejoinings. From a dispassionate, scientific standpoint, the sundering and rejoinings represent two different attempts to perserve mankind, the ascians tried for 12000 years to do it thier way and ultimately failed.

And yes, Venat is cheating and messing up the scientific accuracy of the test by retaining her memories and putting a tracker on Meteion, but we all already agreed that the test was unethical so that's fine.