No one logged in today because of Lost Ark

[Vahlnir]

Bit disingenuous to say this. Find it a bit funny the ff community likes to rag on other mmo’s but then cries and screams and sends death threats to people who rag on ff.

It's more about past experiences. Just about every new MMO that has released in recent years has either flopped insanely hard or faded into obscurity. This isn't an FF community thing. This is an internet "been around the block more than once" thing.

[KizuyaKatogami]

It's more about past experiences. Just about every new MMO that has released in recent years has either flopped insanely hard or faded into obscurity. This isn't an FF community thing. This is an internet "been around the block more than once" thing.

Right but it’s a bit damning to just immediately write an mmo off as “lul totally not gonna last.” I think people need to learn from the beautiful themes this game grants us and have hope. Didn’t people say the exact same about 14 after 1.0 and look what happened lol. I think people are just scared about competition.

[Vahlnir]

Right but it’s a bit damning to just immediately write an mmo off as “lul totally not gonna last.” I think people need to learn from the beautiful themes this game grants us and have hope. Didn’t people say the exact same about 14 after 1.0 and look what happened lol. I think people are just scared about competition.

FF XIV was insanely lucky. Don't ever recall seeing a game die, get burnt to the ground and rebuilt again into a massive success quite like FF XIV has been. I'd love to see more competition arise. Competition leads to innovation. But at this point people are getting their hopes up repeatedly with new MMOs, only leading to disappointment. This one will be no different, judging by their business model. They clearly just want to make as much money as possible before people start leaving. They aren't interested in making a good game.

[Driavna]

FF XIV was insanely lucky. Don't ever recall seeing a game die, get burnt to the ground and rebuilt again into a massive success quite like FF XIV has been. I'd love to see more competition arise. Competition leads to innovation. But at this point people are getting their hopes up repeatedly with new MMOs, only leading to disappointment. This one will be no different, judging by their business model. They clearly just want to make as much money as possible before people start leaving. They aren't interested in making a good game.

They care so much to make money over making a good game that in their last fan fest equivalent game director announced a change that will decreased their revenue in approximated a 17%. Like it or not Last Ark, after their bad launch, is growing in a steady pace with a happy community that enjoy their game. (turn out that Korean fans purchased billboard adds, or something similar to that. to cheer out the game director during his visit to LA before NA/EU launch. This Koreans pay to win for everything).

As I said before I don't like how Lost Ark plays so I going to skip it and don't care if others will play or not... but duck me.

[Vahlnir]

They care so much to make money over making a good game that in their last fan fest equivalent game director announced a change that will decreased their revenue in approximated a 17%. Like it or not Last Ark, after their bad launch, is growing in a steady pace with a happy community that enjoy their game. (turn out that Korean fans buy add to cheer out the game director during their visit to LA before NA/EU launch. This Koreans pay to win for everything).

As I said before I don't like how Lost Ark plays so I going to skip it and don't care if others will play or not... but duck me.

Considering the many, many ways they monetize the game 17% probably isn't much. If their fans did exactly as you said, they probably made that 17% back in under a day. And I'm sure it will go back up eventually once they know who all is sticking around. As you said, Koreans pay to win for everything. I'll be here in a couple month's time, eagerly awaiting to hear how successful it is by then.

[Driavna]

Considering the many, many ways they monetize the game 17% probably isn't much. If their fans did exactly as you said, they probably made that 17% back in under a day. And I'm sure it will go back up eventually once they know who all is sticking around. As you said, Koreans pay to win for everything. I'll be here in a couple month's time, eagerly awaiting to hear how successful it is by then.

Can you tell me a few of those many many ways? I'm really curious now.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Right but it’s a bit damning to just immediately write an mmo off as “lul totally not gonna last.” I think people need to learn from the beautiful themes this game grants us and have hope. Didn’t people say the exact same about 14 after 1.0 and look what happened lol. I think people are just scared about competition.

Arche Age (was going to kill XIV) B&S (was going to kill XIV) Black Desert (was going to kill XIV)... New World.... Theres a pattern here.

I've played most MMOs, I started with Guild Wars, then SWG, Lineage 2, WoW, XI, TOR, Tera, GW2, WildStar, A bunch of obscure ones no ones ever heard of... Etc. XIV wasn't my first MMO, its just the one I've stuck with the longest. And its the one that's lasted (for me).

Most recent MMOs coming out have simply been cash grabs. Every MMO that had a founders pack to buy into... has faded into obscurity.... That's not bias, that's precedence.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Arche Age (was going to kill XIV) B&S (was going to kill XIV) Black Desert (was going to kill XIV)... New World.... Theres a pattern here.

I've played most MMOs, I started with Guild Wars, then SWG, Lineage 2, WoW, XI, TOR, Tera, GW2, WildStar, A bunch of obscure ones no ones ever heard of... Etc. XIV wasn't my first MMO, its just the one I've stuck with the longest. And its the one that's lasted (for me).

Most recent MMOs coming out have simply been cash grabs. Every MMO that had a founders pack to buy into... has faded into obscurity.... That's not bias, that's precedence.

Right, but everyone is different. The game from the little bit of data i’ve seen is growing it’s fanbase at a fairly good pace. I think it’s far too early to simply say it’s going to die, but this isn’t the first time i’ve seen someone on here express insecurities and talking down another mmo. It’s why i find it hypocritical because people are so quick to say “this mmo is gonna sink” but then, this community clearly can’t handle that same kind of criticism as we’ve had numerous examples of the community sending death threats to people who say the game is bad or play another mmo.

FF XIV was insanely lucky. Don't ever recall seeing a game die, get burnt to the ground and rebuilt again into a massive success quite like FF XIV has been. I'd love to see more competition arise. Competition leads to innovation. But at this point people are getting their hopes up repeatedly with new MMOs, only leading to disappointment. This one will be no different, judging by their business model. They clearly just want to make as much money as possible before people start leaving. They aren't interested in making a good game.

Every company wants to make as much money as possible though. 14 is no different. We pay a $15 sub every month. If you want more inventory space you need to pay for that. They didnt even bother to stop sales directly after early access when they saw during early access people couldnt get into the game after 4-5 hours, they continued selling until the servers basically blew up.After 6-8 years we havent even seen a revamp to the character customization despite all the money the game has made(since i saw someone bashing the other games character creation). I understand people see some of the devs like yoshi p as gods and sure, those devs may care about the game, but the fact is the higher ups only care about money. Lost Ark is at the very least f2p and doesnt require a sub.

[Imoye]

Lost Ark is at the very least f2p and doesnt require a sub.

You write this like it's a positive, but it's not. Sub-based MMOs have without exception always been the most successful formula for MMOs. The sub ensures steady income for the developers and guarantees that the game will not become P2W and be riddled with unending grind unless you pay while the only upgrades you get are to the massive in-game cash shop.

F2P is a terrible model for any quality MMO, and these games always degenerate within a few years time. Not a single memorable F2P MMO exists.

[KizuyaKatogami]

You write this like it's a positive, but it's not. Sub-based MMOs have without exception always been the most successful formula for MMOs. The sub ensures steady income for the developers and guarantees that the game will not become P2W and be riddled with unending grind unless you pay while the only upgrades you get are to the massive in-game cash shop.

F2P is a terrible model for any quality MMO, and these games always degenerate within a few years time. Not a single memorable F2P MMO exists.

Yet even with it being a sub based mmo i continue to see downgrades and a lack of improvements with specific aspects of 14. My point however was moreso about companies wanting to make as much money as possible, sub based mmo’s are a good example of this.