Dark Knight Megathread

[WhyAmIHere]

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I mean, I largely get what you're saying here, but I gotta wonder how you feel about infuriate, and how all that changes for WAR is... Fell Cleaves. Fundamentally your argument could be shaped to apply to WAR as well, so I don't know how potent a point this is, but...
I get what you're saying here.

[Kalaam]

I think one class having the "spamming on big attack" burst is fine, it can be an identity on its own. But two class having the same makes them struggle for that identity. Either DRK or WAR needs something else, and it seems WAR mains are more satisfied with their fell cleave burst than DRK ones with BS/Edge spam.

[Lyth]

There's definitely been an evolution in burst combos since they were introduced. Inner Release was just the start, Gnashing Fang expanded on it, and Shroud is its ultimate evolution. Imagine if they merely tried to copypaste the Advent Children portrayal of Omnislash (v5). Five hit 1.5s GCD combo (with oGCDs every second hit) with that shadowy flame aura that we've begged for since 2015, finisher where Frey afterimages snatch the floating spectral swords out of the air and attack multiple times. I don't care how snore-inducing tanking has become, I'd main DRK again if we got to Omnislash with a Greatsword.

[Kalaam]

It's be awesome but we know this would be something locked to a DPS class lol

[Absurdity]

As nice as this may sound, we already know the ping-related problems that MCH players have with Hypercharge.

[TouchandFeel]

Fundamentally your argument could be shaped to apply to WAR as well, so I don't know how potent a point this is

Just because an issue on one job may exist on another, it doesn't somehow then become invalid.

WAR too suffers from roughly the same problem but to a slightly lesser degree since you get an immediate return on Infuriate, resulting in an adjustment in what actions you are taking that feels more tangible.

However, yes, the same argument could and should be applied to WAR as well since the job is considered "brain-dead easy" and suffers from much of the same rotational doldrums that DRK does, but seeing how this is a DRK thread I tried to keep the topic focused on DRK.

[Colt47]

Warrior is fine right now in complexity. For the most part jobs are pretty simple in this game to run, it's just a matter of figuring out the rotation and timing. The reason Dark Knight has so many issues is the lack of timing on skills. Bard was kind of an experiment on not having a fixed combo for skills, and the only reason that job works is due to being a ranged dps with little responsibility other than hitting a support skill once in a while. DRK has a lot of different things going on with it at once, from having a partial combo rotation while also having two burst skills in Delirium and blood weapon, plus a lot of OGCDs that have an implied priority by potency and number of targets.

That would be okay on a DPS, but tanks have to also use mitigation and take blows on top of dealing with their dps skills, which is why all the other tanks have a simple rotation. I personally wouldn't lose sleep if DRK lost Delirium plus carve and split. Just make a new skill that upgrades into shadowbringer that replaces carve and split, and let Abyssal drain just be something the tank uses regularly so they got at least some HP regen going.

[RyuDragnier]

As nice as this may sound, we already know the ping-related problems that MCH players have with Hypercharge.

And that RPRs have with Enshroud. 1.5GCD is NOT fun to weave during.

[Absimiliard]

There's definitely been an evolution in burst combos since they were introduced. Inner Release was just the start, Gnashing Fang expanded on it, and Shroud is its ultimate evolution. Imagine if they merely tried to copypaste the Advent Children portrayal of Omnislash (v5). Five hit 1.5s GCD combo (with oGCDs every second hit) with that shadowy flame aura that we've begged for since 2015, finisher where Frey afterimages snatch the floating spectral swords out of the air and attack multiple times. I don't care how snore-inducing tanking has become, I'd main DRK again if we got to Omnislash with a Greatsword.

...Now THIS I can get behind, but it sadly appears they've given the sword spam to PLD.

[FoxCh40s]

...Now THIS I can get behind, but it sadly appears they've given the sword spam to PLD.

I really don't understand why they didn't give us the Dark Knight Sword skills from Tactics like they Paladin? Paladin got Northswains Strike and Holy Sword, is there some reason Paladon can't have Dusk Blade, Night Blade, or Blood Blade?