Dark Knight Megathread

[Shurrikhan]

Dark Mind cannot be used unless there is magical damage, meaning there's one less cooldown that can be used. TBN has no upgrade, so while the other tanks gain the ability to heal themselves using their signature cooldowns, DRK is unable to. Meaning mostly sustain reasons, the other tanks are able to keep themselves afloat to help with the healing, but DRKs have nothing anymore that can help with that.

This technically doesn't matter. All that matters is the amount of mitigation over a fight (or, technically, the amount of mitigation when and to an extent it matters over a fight).

Take Heart of Corundum's 30% mitigation (for 4s, 15% for 8s) and self-Excogitation on a 25s CD. Do you think a job with so superior a 25s, and all other skills being roughly equal, would be worse off even than in ShB (or than DRK presently) even if Camouflage were made physical-only?

[Deathshiro]

The 3rd fight in the new raid feels like its made with the other 3 tanks 25s mitigation in mind. Having on demand healing/mitigation every 25 seconds feels like a requirement. Outside of Dark mind it was kinda of rough with the autos. Anyone else have the same experience or was it just me? Really wonder how it'll play out in savage

[shao32]

Every encounter is always designed with the lower comon denominator in mind, aka PLD and his inferior amount of CDs in order to keep it viable, so all that stuff of TBN short CD adventage has never been an actual adventage at all in raid enviroments and on dungeons has been semi ok bcs is a shield and not a mitigation wich works better there.

[Hart]

Its so weird, SE changed a lot from Shadowbringers while adding almost nothing. I guess I'm the only person who doesn't have an issue with the blackest night and its reliance on MP and its recast. My biggest peeve is the auto salted earth placement, when I heard it was announced I didn't think it would bother me as much as it does. I wish they would let you pick between auto-placement and manual placement, oh wait, they did and they removed it because people can't learn to macro (despite full in-game tutorials). Now there is no option, a strict downgrade. Not a fan of drain and C&S being on the same timer either. Also, how have we made it this long without a living dead fix? Do they even look at any dark knight discussions?

Its not as if this class is the whipping boy, just seems like they don't care.

[Danelo]

Does anyone ever get the feeling that DRKs kit is one bandaid on top of another?

-the wave of the future was working within burst windows so we were given delirium to replace sustained damage in shb.
-tbn was made the beast of a shield in shb bcs LD sucks and se doesn’t want to fix it.
-oblation seems a lazy patch for no changes with dark mind.

And a side note for all that say “but DRK does the most damage!” That’s all well and good when it plays into the kit (like war doing spike damage for big heals) but for that to be the sole theme for the expansion without anything paired with it is sad… And that’s before the you factor for all the items left untouched or do a deeper comparison between the tanks.

I’m sure DRK will be okay in raids but why should I have to switch to another tank to not struggle in dungeons or old ex trials for solo? I don’t think I’m the only one that feels this way. There should be a baseline that tanks can do since sqex is all about homogenization these days.

[WhyAmIHere]

Does anyone ever get the feeling that DRKs kit is one bandaid on top of another?

Welcome to everything from ShB onwards.

[Silver-Strider]

Add a Convalescence effect to Living Dead. Make it easier for Healers to actually get you out of Living Dead
Increase the damage of Abyssal Drain to be a DPS gain on 3 targets instead of the current 4 and up the cure potency to at least 250.
Add a Health Restore effect to Carve and Spit of 250 as well. If it's going to share a CD with AD, it should do the same thing
Have Salted Earth provide a Regen of 100 potency for the DRK while active . Have Salt and Darkness offer a 400 potency heal on top.
Either add a Life Steal effect to Dark Mind or just merge Oblation and Dark Mind into 1 skill that provides 15% Damage Mitigation to the DRK or a player of their choosing.

Nothing too crazy but DRK does need more mitigation and/or self sustain because right now its pitiful.

[WhyAmIHere]

OR, or, what about reducing the healing on the other tanks?

It just seems like the sheer quantity, and quality, of the other tanks's sustain is cultivating this mentality of "DRK isn't worth it if I gotta heal," and conversely "If it's not a DRK I don't have to worry about healing."

I'm all for tanks getting some form of method to keep themselves alive. WAR was always (as far as i remember playing) king of survival. But, I'm more worried that this current tank and healer meta/design ethos is just a sign that the devs in charge of job changes and adjustment don't play tanks/healers at any level of seriousness and don't roundtable the ramifications of their decisions because "well it heals / tanks enemies, what more does it need?" It's a runaway cycle that's only gonna get worse if someone doesn't rein in the shiesty antics of non-DPS design.

Or I'm just a nutjob. IDK.

[jetfire117]

OR, or, what about reducing the healing on the other tanks?

It just seems like the sheer quantity, and quality, of the other tanks's sustain is cultivating this mentality of "DRK isn't worth it if I gotta heal," and conversely "If it's not a DRK I don't have to worry about healing."

I'm all for tanks getting some form of method to keep themselves alive. WAR was always (as far as i remember playing) king of survival. But, I'm more worried that this current tank and healer meta/design ethos is just a sign that the devs in charge of job changes and adjustment don't play tanks/healers at any level of seriousness and don't roundtable the ramifications of their decisions because "well it heals / tanks enemies, what more does it need?" It's a runaway cycle that's only gonna get worse if someone doesn't rein in the shiesty antics of non-DPS design.

Or I'm just a nutjob. IDK.

after playing the new raids, the new self-sustain options are welcomed and understandable.

[Flay_wind]

Regarding tanks' self sustain. It going to be pretty problematic, when both tanks take damage for prolonged amount of time. Like go to P3 as DRK and be an OT there. See how fun it is.