Summoner feels really, really dumbed down now

[WlyemR]

Not jank, perfectly manageable in ShB and it was objectively more complex by having a cast condition instead of being unconditional. Speak for yourself instead of trying to speak for "everyone".

Fine, not everyone, but a majority of SMN players that discussed it daily in game and on the forums. Yes, the situation was manageable, but it is also a situation that should not exist in the first place.

[tearagion]

Fine, not everyone, but a majority of SMN players that discussed it daily in game and on the forums. Yes, the situation was manageable, but it is also a situation that should not exist in the first place.

The situation that shouldn't exist is a blatantly unfinished job replacing one players enjoyed for 8 years. The only legitimate demi issue in ShB was Phoenix starting off with an everlasting flight cast ghosting a scarlet flame if you used a gcd too quickly.

[WlyemR]

The situation that shouldn't exist is a blatantly unfinished job replacing one players enjoyed for 8 years. The only legitimate demi issue in ShB was Phoenix starting off with an everlasting flight cast ghosting a scarlet flame if you used a gcd too quickly.

Players enjoyed for 8 years, huh. Now who is speaking for everyone? As I have said multiple times already, I do believe there are improvements to be made, especially at lower levels. But all of this doom-saying that the job has been annihilated and lost all its perceived complexity is pure hyperbole.

[tearagion]

Players enjoyed for 8 years, huh. Now who is speaking for everyone? As I have said multiple times already, I do believe there are improvements to be made, especially at lower levels. But all of this doom-saying that the job has been annihilated and lost all its perceived complexity is pure hyperbole.

"Players" as in people who played summoner, I thought this was contextually obvious. How is it doomsaying? The old job is indeed annihilated, not even ruin 3 is the same. I realize there is nothing to do about that SE never reverts anything. My issue is what remains is the most vapid job in the history of the game.

[WlyemR]

"Players" as in people who played summoner, I thought this was contextually obvious. How is it doomsaying? The old job is indeed annihilated, not even ruin 3 is the same. I realize there is nothing to do about that SE never reverts anything. My issue is what remains is the most vapid job in the history of the game.

Again, players, as in people who play summoner, is a totality. As evidenced by the several ongoing threads, not everyone who plays the job was onboard with 2.0-5.0 SMN, just as not every player is on board with 6.0 SMN. But again, saying that everything that made SMN a SMN is gone is simply not true.

[tearagion]

Again, players, as in people who play summoner, is a totality. As evidenced by the several ongoing threads, not everyone who plays the job was onboard with 2.0-5.0 SMN, just as not every player is on board with 6.0 SMN. But again, saying that everything that made SMN a SMN is gone is simply not true.

Pretty sure the only thing that didn't change was Physick (edit: I forgot Resurrection, whoops). Old SMN was annihilated not even a hyperbole. "Players" isn't a totality I'm not sure where you learned English, "every" is the specific word/affix that indicates no exception.

[WlyemR]

Pretty sure the only thing that didn't change was Physick (edit: I forgot Resurrection, whoops). Old SMN was annihilated not even a hyperbole. "Players" isn't a totality I'm not sure where you learned English, "every" is the specific word/affix that indicates no exception.

Players is contextually in this instance a totality because you fail to specify the limitations of the statement. You said "something that players enjoyed playing for 8 years." What players? All players, new players, endgame players? Your own words. I have provided clear evidence that that is not the case.