Summoner feels really, really dumbed down now

[Tulzscha]

Thanks mobile formatting for deleting half my post instead of telling me it was too long instead of editing it down.

But the next part, your theming arguments you constantly make

Aw, but you had such a good thing going. What a shame.

But yeah the only thing convoluted about pre-EW SMN was the opener (which basically amounted to "get your cds rolling" but there were a lot + the pet delay made it icky), after that it was simple resource management.

[aveyond-dreams]

I am not sure how your language adds to your argument. Respectfully, please express yourself more appropriately. If your goal is to eventually see the gameplay and themes of old Summoner resurface in a future job, keep in mind that the people you need to convince are not likely to be swayed by your current tone.

[Laphicet]

I am not sure how your language adds to your argument. Respectfully, please express yourself more appropriately. If your goal is to eventually see the gameplay and themes of old Summoner resurface in a future job, keep in mind that the people you need to convince are not likely to be swayed by your current tone.

And YOU'RE tone throughout all these past threads where you constantly belittle, berate, badger, and otherwise bug the former SMN mains who utterly despise the hackjob that is the current class does very little to convince people of your side, either. If you want respect then show respect in the first place, and you have constantly and repeatedly shown no respect for people who liked ShB SMN and other prior iterations, including myself on prior occasions. Thus I shall not show you that respect in turn, and in fact treat you the way you've treated others.

The fact of the matter is that a LOT of people hate new SMN, a lot. And your arguments do little other than tell them to sod off. As the points you do make fall apart rapidly. Let's take the theming one you constantly bring up, for one. Every job in FFXIV that has some ancestor in a previous FF title or spinoff, including old Summoner and even NEW Summoner, is a divergence from its ancestry, most of them major. Black Mage goes from spam your heaviest hitting spell and a weakness exploiter to a job that follows a chain of spells, completely abandoning those roots. White Mage goes from a elementalist healer who uses the elements that Black Mage doesn't alongside POWERFUL healing and POWERFUL buffs plus the ultimate spell of holy, to a Bishop (not a white mage, a bishop) who spams the same flashbang of a light spell over and over and over and does next to nothing with elemental magic AND has no buffs to boot. Red Mage goes from a king of adaptability and a master of support and filling in for other roles to a weaker black mage that knows a piddly cure spell, a rez, and a few simple support spells... completely abandoning its roots as a jack of all trades in favor of being just another offensive caster with a few shiny tools that pale in comparison to the incredible spell lists they had before. Astrologian goes from a master of buffing and buffing QUICKLY to being a mess of stars and special effects that doesn't even follow its own lore and has such paltry buffs that its one ancestor class would laugh it out of the room for being so weak. Bards go from support focused classes that were masters of buffs to being archers with a few piddly buffs that do jack shit on their own, and would also be laughed out of the room by their predecessors for how weak their buffs are. Scholar goes from a master of analysis and an item class to being a mishmash of tactics and war knowledge that has a fairy because Nym had to use everything at their disposal to keep themselves alive. Dark Knight goes from a hp-sacrificing DPS with excellent dark abilities to a pathetic tank that can't even follow its own lore and doesn't know what it wants to be anymore AND completely abandons its self-sacrifice roots. And so on and so forth, all down the roster with the SOLE exception of Dragoon.

I could go into much more detail than this on a class-by-class basis if you need me to spell it completely out for one so simple and hard-headed as yourself. But I think that's a basic enough start to show the holes in that constant argument of muh theming that you always insist on making.

[aveyond-dreams]

I respect your enthusiasm and encourage you to direct it to the proper channels like a support thread for the gameplay style you want to see in the future rather than trying to change things back to the way they were. Right now current Summoner is the most popular caster on NA and EU, and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

Or better yet, why not create the following thread: "Revert the 6.0 SMN changes, show your support!" Once you get to roughly 1000 likes you might even be able to get a response in a letter like the Male Viera thread did.

[aveyond-dreams]

Welcome to the experience of most of the people that tried and then ultimately abandoned 5.X Summoner after realizing that there were better jobs to play as, and the experience I've had with the job with every expansion except this one. With 18 other options I'm sure you will find something you enjoy, as I did. I'll take a "simple" job that's true to its origins in the series as opposed to a "complex!" job that has fostered this sort of environment.

[Vegituh]

Welcome to the experience of most of the people that tried and then ultimately abandoned 5.X Summoner after realizing that there were better jobs to play as, and the experience I've had with the job with every expansion except this one. With 18 other options I'm sure you will find something you enjoy, as I did. I'll take a "simple" job that's true to its origins in the series as opposed to a "complex!" job that has fostered this sort of environment.

"That most people abandoned" Thats funny, because I remember seeing a decent amount of summoners throughout 4.x AND 5.x The class has never been under-represented from the metrics I could find. And I won't be surprised when a bunch of the bandwagoners that have picked the class up suddenly drop it to go back to their respective classes after the honeymoon phase has ended.

Also I find it funny that as soon as the class gets changed you suddenly act like its your class and the rest of us, the people who enjoyed the class we used to have, should just leave. You should of found a different class to play in the first place. I mean, as you said, there are 18 of them.


"True to its origins" Just going to ignore my earlier post huh. Not surprised, you don't seem to have a leg to stand on when it comes to that.

[ItMe]

I like 6.0 SMN.
Perhaps, I even love it.
It's a lot more flexible, I feel like I'm contributing more (and not just because I can rez in a pinch without my own rotation going AWOL), and when I make a mistake/die I'm not punished with a real bad time for the rest of the pull.

I started FF14 as a SMN and coming back to it in 6.0 is very sweet and I'm enjoying maining it again.

[tearagion]

who asked?

[aveyond-dreams]

I am sorry that you are unhappy with the 6.0 job changes. However I have yet to see a post on this thread break even 100 likes so where are all these fans of 5.X Summoner that do not seem to want to come in here to show their support? Perhaps you should consider spreading the word on twitter or reddit in order to help bolster your numbers.

Remember it's not me you have to get on your side but Yoship and the dev team themselves if you want that job back and to have new Summoner taken away from the multitudes of people who already fell in love with it.