How is this fair for DRK?

[Undeadfire]

If a heal is added to it, it is brought up to par with Holy Shelltron, Bloodwhetting, and Heart of Corundum. Clearly you don't know what DRK needs right now if you foolishly believe TBN can compete with HS, BW, or HoC.

That's not brought up to par, that makes it stronger in comparison being free. TBN does a huge no damage barrier, and having a heal on top would make it insane.

TBN being free comparisons, no drawbacks

Holy Sheltron/Intervention as I said isn't a whole free choice, it's restricted used. Reqs Holy is extremely restricted, Paladin don't get free choices when to use their healing, Clemency exist, but you would only kill the jobs DPS.

HoC only compares on TBN if it's below 50% HP kicks in, otherwise it's a short damage mitigation, Healers have O-GCDs needing use that do the job better.

BW is the focus problem, can pop anywhere anytime, gains in all cases.

TBN being free, plus no drawbacks, and 25% max HP barrier is very huge with more gear support. Oblation buff too? Bruh, you'll have to be crazy lucky to obtain these level of adjustments, we don't need tanks being more invincible. Instant 25% max HP barrier is incredibly strong, and it carried a lot in Eden Savage raids. I agree TBN drawbacks need to be removed, I got no problem with that, but it's over stretching the bar asking for more. We absolutely do not need another HW tank meta.

[Axxion]

That's not brought up to par, that makes it stronger in comparison being free. TBN does a huge no damage barrier, and having a heal on top would make it insane.

TBN being free comparisons, no drawbacks

Holy Sheltron/Intervention as I said isn't a whole free choice, it's restricted used. Reqs Holy is extremely restricted, Paladin don't get free choices when to use their healing, Clemency exist, but you would only kill the jobs DPS.

HoC only compares on TBN if it's below 50% HP kicks in, otherwise it's a short damage mitigation, Healers have O-GCDs needing use that do the job better.

BW is the focus problem, can pop anywhere anytime, gains in all cases.

TBN being free, plus no drawbacks, and 25% max HP barrier is very huge with more gear support. Oblation buff too? Bruh, you'll have to be crazy lucky to obtain these level of adjustments, we don't need tanks being more invincible. Instant 25% max HP barrier is incredibly strong, and it carried a lot in Eden Savage raids. I agree TBN drawbacks need to be removed, I got no problem with that, but it's over stretching the bar asking for more. We absolutely do not need another HW tank meta.

Then you need to look at the pvp version of TBN. The draw back for that was your dark side lasted for 30 secs & the barrier is up to a 3k heal. Sadly to say the pvp version of drk is way better in the self healing in a mob pull then the standard version

Ill have to disagree with you with the bw. lets say that bw didn't exist it still shows that drk still does not have any ways of healing it self

[Baxcel]

That's not brought up to par, that makes it stronger in comparison being free. TBN does a huge no damage barrier, and having a heal on top would make it insane.

TBN being free comparisons, no drawbacks

Holy Sheltron/Intervention as I said isn't a whole free choice, it's restricted used. Reqs Holy is extremely restricted, Paladin don't get free choices when to use their healing, Clemency exist, but you would only kill the jobs DPS.

HoC only compares on TBN if it's below 50% HP kicks in, otherwise it's a short damage mitigation, Healers have O-GCDs needing use that do the job better.

BW is the focus problem, can pop anywhere anytime, gains in all cases.

TBN being free, plus no drawbacks, and 25% max HP barrier is very huge with more gear support. Oblation buff too? Bruh, you'll have to be crazy lucky to obtain these level of adjustments, we don't need tanks being more invincible. Instant 25% max HP barrier is incredibly strong, and it carried a lot in Eden Savage raids. I agree TBN drawbacks need to be removed, I got no problem with that, but it's over stretching the bar asking for more. We absolutely do not need another HW tank meta.

Apparently you don't know much about your tanks.. TBN is very much lacking compared to the other 3 tanks currently, the lack of self healing along with the death penalty on LD makes DRK the worse tank to play solo and the worse tank to heal.

Pally has clemency sure and yes you take a dps loss but you still have anytime access to it.. your holy spirit/circle also has healing.. not a dps loss to switch over to yout magic rotation even if reli is on cooldown.. your dps is 0 if your dead sweetie.

WAR bloodwhetting is just currently op.. nothing else needs said lol

And finally you keep spouting some BS about GNB needing to be at 50% hp for HoC? Wtf are you on? The healing shows up at the end of the timer too.. doing some healing tests with my WHT friend.. my lv87 in lv80 GNB was curing more then cure 1 with HoC and more then cure 2 with a crit on HoC, add in Aurua for even more healing..

It's shameful how much they screwed over DRK sustain an survivability this Expansion and ShB too.. and you guys who don't know what your talking about aren't helping get it fixed.

[Undeadfire]

Apparently you don't know much about your tanks.. TBN is very much lacking compared to the other 3 tanks currently, the lack of self healing along with the death penalty on LD makes DRK the worse tank to play solo and the worse tank to heal.

Adding more buffs to satisfy jealous will never happen, never, DPS is always the dominant system in every role and that's a fact. DRK is on top with GNB, the job needs adjustments with it's abilities, not buffs. Jobs do not receive more buffs if the job is already DPS dominant in the charts, it's always been this formula. If you cannot accept that, then I'm sorry, this is how FFXIV is built on since the day of ARR.

Pally has clemency sure and yes you take a dps loss but you still have anytime access to it.. your holy spirit/circle also has healing.. not a dps loss to switch over to yout magic rotation even if reli is on cooldown.. your dps is 0 if your dead sweetie.

Excuse me? You're asking to de-sync the job, Goring/Atonement > Unbuffed Holy Spirit, if you really got proof I would love to see it, uptime does exist. Unless unbuffed Circle hits 4+ mobs, Goring spams overpowers it over time.

And finally you keep spouting some BS about GNB needing to be at 50% hp for HoC? Wtf are you on? The healing shows up at the end of the timer too.. doing some healing tests with my WHT friend.. my lv87 in lv80 GNB was curing more then cure 1 with HoC and more then cure 2 with a crit on HoC, add in Aurua for even more healing..

Bro... 20s is a really long time and really useless if the purpose is already filled, Healers O-GCDs exist, it hardly makes differences in high tier content.

It's shameful how much they screwed over DRK sustain an survivability this Expansion and ShB too.. and you guys who don't know what your talking about aren't helping get it fixed.

At least I'm suggesting balancing in all content than a focused system, oh wow Dungeon is too hard, I can't survive it. You cannot cater to one system of content, you have to think in all paths.

[Undeadfire]

Pally has clemency sure and yes you take a dps loss but you still have anytime access to it.. your holy spirit/circle also has healing.. not a dps loss to switch over to yout magic rotation even if reli is on cooldown.. your dps is 0 if your dead sweetie.

Clemency is emergencies only.

7x unbuffed Holy Spirit (270) 1890, normal combo before starting FoF 3130 (+ Dot which isn't included), that's not a DPS loss?



If the battle would be taking too long and my healers dead, and no way to bring them back, best just to wipe than waste more time.