Current EX trial completed without Healers

[Rilifane]

I said "for sloppy groups." My point is that the game is designed for people who struggle to not get too taxed, not for the type of people who are interested enough to post on the healer forums.

For a lot of players, non-extreme primals require 2 heals and everyone still barely survives.

They can cuddle baby healers that get stressed by an aoe every 2min or single pulls in DF, I don't mind.
But endgame content is called endgame content for a reason and people that don't read their tooltips, panic when someone drops below 70% and heal with GCDs because oGCDs are for "emergencies" are simply not ready for it. So why should it be balanced for people that are clearly not ready for it?
Endgame content isn't to practice the basics of a class, it's for polishing solid basic skills while practicing a fight.

[Videra]

So a meme comp beat the entry-level EX trial of the expansion without a healer. Nice, but it doesn't reflect on standard gameplay by any means, and you hardly see people lining up to run that same meme comp for the same result.

[Liam_Harper]

I said "for sloppy groups."

You've hit the nail on the head without realizing it.

That's why healers exist now. Sloppy groups. Our main purpose in the eyes of the devs is to babysit and mop up all the mistakes the group makes. Not to have fun or play an engaging role, we're just there as a necessity so casual players can feel like their story instances were challenging, without actually having to wipe. Other roles are there to have the fun.

This is why once your group learns a fight well and optimizes mitigation you suddenly have nothing to heal and you're left pressing 1 over and over. Your job is over. You only get thrown raidwides every minute or so, or targeted with stack markers or such, to try and prevent the group from leaving you behind entirely. But your job is still basically done if the group doesn't make any mistakes. You're just there as security incase they do, so you can mop up and let them continue to enjoy themselves.

It's sad really when you think about it.

[ThorneDynasty]

I agree, but current content requires 2 full healers for sloppy groups. If you dialed back the healing throughput, then many people couldn't finish content as currently tuned, which is apparently Square's primary concern. Optimized healers are just not a concern.

The thing is you don't need twenty different healing abilities to dish out good HPS. You could do the same with four. 1 off-global cooldown for unavoidable damage, 1 GCD for additional healing, 2 more for single target versions.

And at the same time you get the super simple healing SE apparently wants that won't stress beginner healers out, while the "expert" healers won't be bored out of their minds actually having DPS things to do on downtime.

[GrimGale]

You've hit the nail on the head without realizing it.

That's why healers exist now. Sloppy groups. Our main purpose in the eyes of the devs is to babysit and mop up all the mistakes the group makes. Not to have fun or play an engaging role, we're just there as a necessity so casual players can feel like their story instances were challenging, without actually having to wipe. Other roles are there to have the fun.

This is why once your group learns a fight well and optimizes mitigation you suddenly have nothing to heal and you're left pressing 1 over and over. Your job is over. You only get thrown raidwides every minute or so, or targeted with stack markers or such, to try and prevent the group from leaving you behind entirely. But your job is still basically done if the group doesn't make any mistakes. You're just there as security incase they do, so you can mop up and let them continue to enjoy themselves.

It's sad really when you think about it.

After doing the EX trials, my static is seriously considering going only one healer for progression. They are worried about healer targetting mechanics that would require 2 healers to do properly, but considering how rare those are, we'll see.

What is sad is how little value "healing" itself has in Savage.

[Mortex]

You've hit the nail on the head without realizing it.

That's why healers exist now. Sloppy groups. Our main purpose in the eyes of the devs is to babysit and mop up all the mistakes the group makes. Not to have fun or play an engaging role, we're just there as a necessity so casual players can feel like their story instances were challenging, without actually having to wipe. Other roles are there to have the fun.

This is why once your group learns a fight well and optimizes mitigation you suddenly have nothing to heal and you're left pressing 1 over and over. Your job is over. You only get thrown raidwides every minute or so, or targeted with stack markers or such, to try and prevent the group from leaving you behind entirely. But your job is still basically done if the group doesn't make any mistakes. You're just there as security incase they do, so you can mop up and let them continue to enjoy themselves.

It's sad really when you think about it.

And then don’t forget that a lot of mechanics just wipe you in higher savage content if you have a dead player. So even then you can’t even safe the run.

[Deceptus]

So a meme comp beat the entry-level EX trial of the expansion without a healer. Nice, but it doesn't reflect on standard gameplay by any means, and you hardly see people lining up to run that same meme comp for the same result.

This isn't the first time we've seen something like this. A savage tier end fight was completed without a healer.

[Absurdity]

This isn't the first time we've seen something like this. A savage tier end fight was completed without a healer.

Don't forget the UCoB clear with nothing but tanks.

[AceofRains]

Pretty sure we do need at least a few threads on this when the game is that imbalanced. I've died to the first set of boss mechanics in dungeons in my first run and the group had no problem healing the rest of the fight from 90%-0%. I felt completely unneeded.

This happened to me as well on several occasions. It astounds me how they failed to address the futility of healers.

[AceofRains]

So a meme comp beat the entry-level EX trial of the expansion without a healer. Nice, but it doesn't reflect on standard gameplay by any means, and you hardly see people lining up to run that same meme comp for the same result.

Meme comp or not, it was passed without any jobs having a backup Raise, there was nothing to esuna, there was no dire need to top of health. At level 90 with all the growth and tools at our disposal, the encounters have not increased in complexity. It’s not about the composition, it’s that encounters haven’t been designed for the tools that have been provided, making it so that all those tools feel lackluster. If that is the case then they should have provided more tools to meaningfully contribute to fighting.