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[fusional]

"It's all about me and my loot, screw everyone else!" Yeah, no thanks. I'll be over here simply trying to have fun with other people in my community, working together to accomplish similar goals and helping them with whatever I can...because that is what I believe should be at the core of a game like this, and nothing else. Feel free to have a different opinion, but I want nothing to do with it..

actually, i'd argue that *your* attitude is the bigger problem. anyone who tries to say their idea of fun, of content, of whatever is the only way it should be, is the only thing that the game should have, etc (everyone else be damned)... don't seem to get it. no MMO can hope to be anything but a niche title, a flash in the pan at best, if it only listens to one demographic above any other. then all your other demographics are alienated and leave for greener pastures.

this is the biggest problem with the hardcore vs. casual type debates i see on this forum, too. neither side seems to understand that the game needs to please *both* demographics, and everything in-between.

too often the hardcores say "nope, the game isn't hard enough. make THE ENTIRE GAME harder" just as too often the casuals say "nope, game is too hard. the ENTIRE GAME should be easier and more accessible"

but for a successful MMO you need to appease both camps. you need content for the casuals and you need content for the hardcores. you need to listen a fair bit to both. and you have to bridge the gap.

(that said- so far this game doesn't seem to be doing much of anything at all to appease us hardcores, but that's another argument entirely)

tl;dr starting discussion in an open forum only to cross your arms and say "well i want nothing to do with YOUR side/opinion" is counterproductive. if you don't want to give another opinion the time of day, why even bother offering yours?

[Sol_Aureus]

No, please god no.

The absolute last thing this game needs is more things that encourage solo play. One of the reasons I dislike most MMOs out there nowdays is that there's little to no sense of community and teamwork, even the battle systems generally have you doing your own thing, there's no need for teamwork. I play an MMO to play with other people, and I want content that reflects that.

It's one of the reasons I liked FFXI so much, it really felt like you were playing off of your party members with stuff like skillchains. It felt like you were a part of a team, not just doing your own thing. Salvage and Nyzul were good examples of content that required teamwork. That's what I want: teamwork and community, because honestly right now community is one of the biggest factors that's keeping this game alive. Adding in something that forsakes the need for community for convenience would be FFXIV shooting itself in the foot.

[Sylvari]

Don't fret I am but one person (as are you) we don't have the power to change things on our own, hence why we have these forums.

LOL...

The offline RPG genre is based on story, the online one is based on working together to complete content (normally in the form of slaying a particular monster or conquering a specific dungeon) and get rewarded for doing so.

I play games for the story, I don't care what game it is.. I play em all for the story. But rewards are always great, Makes everything seem worth it. Kinda makes you think "Why do ppl try so hard just for an achievement" The shiny little title is a reward too. A perfect balance of Story, game play and reward makes a great game. :3

[Sylvari]

this is the biggest problem with the hardcore vs. casual type debates i see on this forum, too. neither side seems to understand that the game needs to please *both* demographics, and everything in-between.

Awww, why'd ya go and say it... we all knew it.. but the debate is half the fun.

[Rousseau]

actually, i'd argue that *your* attitude is the bigger problem. anyone who tries to say their idea of fun, of content, of whatever is the only way it should be, is the only thing that the game should have, etc (everyone else be damned)... don't seem to get it. no MMO can hope to be anything but a niche title, a flash in the pan at best, if it only listens to one demographic above any other. then all your other demographics are alienated and leave for greener pastures.

this is the biggest problem with the hardcore vs. casual type debates i see on this forum, too. neither side seems to understand that the game needs to please *both* demographics, and everything in-between.

too often the hardcores say "nope, the game isn't hard enough. make THE ENTIRE GAME harder" just as too often the casuals say "nope, game is too hard. the ENTIRE GAME should be easier and more accessible"

but for a successful MMO you need to appease both camps. you need content for the casuals and you need content for the hardcores. you need to listen a fair bit to both. and you have to bridge the gap.

(that said- so far this game doesn't seem to be doing much of anything at all to appease us hardcores, but that's another argument entirely)

tl;dr starting discussion in an open forum only to cross your arms and say "well i want nothing to do with YOUR side/opinion" is counterproductive. if you don't want to give another opinion the time of day, why even bother offering yours?

I simply don't see the point of arguing back and forth about something that I know I don't agree with. When people get all up in arms about "close-mindedness" they are really just angry that the other person doesn't agree. I'm willing to say, "Yeah, we don't agree. I have my opinion, you have yours." I fail to see how that is offensive. Perhaps it's how I'm wont to word things.

I think there is only so much of "everything" that can be squeezed into a game. I'd rather not see the game try to please everyone. I'd like it to do well, but not so well that it pulls in so many people that it becomes bloated and hollow from a social standpoint. Perhaps I have just come to feel that this was one driving force behind both online FF games, and it is my hope that the devs can be reminded of that, and made aware of the potential pitfalls of going down the wrong path. It may not be the wrong path to you, but what am I to do other than advocate that which I think is best? That's the only thing that makes sense.

[Jinko]

I play games for the story, I don't care what game it is.. I play em all for the story. But rewards are always great, Makes everything seem worth it. Kinda makes you think "Why do ppl try so hard just for an achievement" The shiny little title is a reward too. A perfect balance of Story, game play and reward makes a great game. :3

Indeed, I am a fan of the story telling in both this game and FF11, it does set them both apart from other MMO's out there.

I didn't mean to come across as being opposed to it, just looking at it from the overal view of what other MMO companies do in general.

Final Fantasy wouldn't be Final Fantasy without a good story.

[Rousseau]

No, please god no.

The absolute last thing this game needs is more things that encourage solo play. One of the reasons I dislike most MMOs out there nowdays is that there's little to no sense of community and teamwork, even the battle systems generally have you doing your own thing, there's no need for teamwork. I play an MMO to play with other people, and I want content that reflects that.

It's one of the reasons I liked FFXI so much, it really felt like you were playing off of your party members with stuff like skillchains. It felt like you were a part of a team, not just doing your own thing. Salvage and Nyzul were good examples of content that required teamwork. That's what I want: teamwork and community, because honestly right now community is one of the biggest factors that's keeping this game alive. Adding in something that forsakes the need for community for convenience would be FFXIV shooting itself in the foot.

I don't think soloing is as much of the problem, but we are both concerned with the same potential outcome.

I'm really commenting, however, because you have Pinkie Pie in your sig. <3

Indeed, I am a fan of the story telling in both this game and FF11, it does set them both apart from other MMO's out there.

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Final Fantasy wouldn't be Final Fantasy without a good story.

Well, there is something that we can both agree on, then.

[Sylvari]

I simply don't see the point of arguing back and forth about something that I know I don't agree with. When people get all up in arms about "close-mindedness" they are really just angry that the other person doesn't agree. I'm willing to say, "Yeah, we don't agree. I have my opinion, you have yours." I fail to see how that is offensive. Perhaps it's how I'm wont to word things.

The problem is how you said it.

Feel free to have a different opinion, but I want nothing to do with it..

It comes off as ignorant and close minded.

I think there is only so much of "everything" that can be squeezed into a game. I'd rather not see the game try to please everyone. I'd like it to do well, but not so well that it pulls in so many people that it becomes bloated and hollow from a social standpoint. Perhaps I have just come to feel that this was one driving force behind both online FF games, and it is my hope that the devs can be reminded of that, and made aware of the potential pitfalls of going down the wrong path. It may not be the wrong path to you, but what am I to do other than advocate that which I think is best? That's the only thing that makes sense.

You are right to voice your opinion, But who are you to deny the possibility that SE could give to 'The Hardcore' 'The Casual' and the in between, I believe what a lot of ppl have been trying to say and what you've been ignoring is that SE should have content that is for the elitist and the casual gamer and the ppl in between, not just one.

[Sylvari]

Indeed, I am a fan of the story telling in both this game and FF11, it does set them both apart from other MMO's out there.

I didn't mean to come across as being opposed to it, just looking at it from the overal view of what other MMO companies do in general.

Final Fantasy wouldn't be Final Fantasy without a good story.

Wasn't trying to call you out, Just trying to explain that ppl come for both not one.

edit: I play games for the story because i can't be asked to read a book. I'm too lazy to read a book, so i like to enjoy the interactive and large world that gaming and movies bring.

[Rousseau]

The problem is how you said it.



It comes off as ignorant and close minded.

You are right to voice your opinion, But who are you to deny the possibility that SE could give to 'The Hardcore' 'The Casual' and the in between, I believe what a lot of ppl have been trying to say and what you've been ignoring is that SE should have content that is for the elitist and the casual gamer and the ppl in between, not just one.

Well, I'm not too worried about how it comes off. I have a certain way of explaining myself, and I can't really stress over it too much. I realize I'm new here, so perhaps you just need time to get used to how I word things. You can rest assured that my words are probably not intended to be as caustic as they might appear. I just know what I want and I speak my mind.

With that said, I haven't denied the possibility of anything. I've simply stated what I think is a bad idea and what I hope to God will not come to pass. It's not even an issue of hardcore, casual, etc. I don't even want to label myself with any of those terms. It is not at all about difficulty, as far as I am concerned, but all about community. And, by community, what I mean is something other than entering a random dungeon full of people I don't know, where all they do is fight and argue over gear, and I end up being the only one trying to pry them apart and keep everyone from ruining the entire run. You have no idea how tired I am of dealing with that, and the reason it appears to be happening is because there is no recourse for people who act that way, because they know they will never see the other players again (being on different servers and all). My desire is to avoid that in this game, if at all possible.