Content Finder

[Nabiri]

- There is no different between strangers from other server and your current server, they are strangers.

- There is also no reason social ethics and behavious will goes out of the window for many players, people acts the way they do to strangers whether they are from other or your current server, if people were douches, they will stay douches. People don't just become a douche.

This is true.. I would show people the same courtesies and politeness no matter what..
They all deserve the same respect.
The only difference for me is, I would only talk when I have to with people from other servers, but I could actually have fun with and get to know people on my own server.
So I'd just prefer an in-server content finder. :x

I don't understand why people would suddenly be rude to those on other servers but not their own.. I'm sure it happens sometimes, but I just don't understand people like that.

[Sylvari]

This is true.. I would show people the same courtesies and politeness no matter what..
They all deserve the same respect.
The only difference for me is, I would only talk when I have to with people from other servers, but I could actually have fun with and get to know people on my own server.
So I'd just prefer a in-server content finder. :x

I don't understand why people would suddenly be rude to those on other servers but not their own.. I'm sure it happens sometimes, but I just don't understand people like that.

I agree, Although i would prefer a content finder that is server exclusive i wouldn't be fazed either way. I'd be happy just to have something that can cut down the time i wait.

[Rokien]

I agree, Although i would prefer a content finder that is server exclusive i wouldn't be fazed either way. I'd be happy just to have something that can cut down the time i wait.

Pretty sure my example I said earlier... included your "time I wait".... Sooo, when I invite you to a party, your going to stick around for x amount of time before it is created, or you going to say "LETS USE THE FINDER"....

rude player is rude.

[Sylvari]

Pretty sure my example I said earlier... included your "time I wait".... Sooo, when I invite you to a party, your going to stick around for x amount of time before it is created, or you going to say "LETS USE THE FINDER"....

rude player is rude.

I'm happy to wait, If the leader wants to invite more ppl then i don't mind. If I'm leader then I'll invite my friends and then if nothing comes up, I'll use the finder and enjoy some runs.

edit: I'm aware that ^ comment does contradict my other one, But i do have a lot of patience.

[Choyi]

I never once belived XIV would have anywhere near the success of WoW, if it has over 500k subs at peak even that be a surprise (and 500k isnt a nubmer to scoff at, thats more then most MMOs once theyre past their initial laucnh spectacle)
Even if it has 100k players, over 10 server, well you do the math of chances to run into another person again.

And this is besides the point, its about the inniative to interact with other players in the first place, and for many thats a lot lower when you are bundled with people that you realistcly belive you wont meet again.
And no this isnt about anyone being rude or bad behavior in a random dungeon finder party, its about lack of any sort of emotion or chat more then "Hi" "ready?" and "cya".

Say that most of the high end content is instanced in dungeons, with a dungeon finder system people will log on, que up and then afk in town until they get put in a group, and after dungeon run is over the pop back into town, rinse and repeat.
You eliminate first the need to interact with others on your server (why spend effort shouting etc forming a group when you can just let computer do so for you?) meaning towns will be as dead as now even with 100x the amoun of players.
Secondly you eliminate the reason to travel outside the city, there will be no people traveling around between aerthytes and no gathering of groups outside dungeone entrances etc.

Since its the biggest example of this, take a look in WoW, go anywhere outside any city in WoW and you will be hard pressed to find any larger amounts of player anywhere, after dungeon finder was introduced in WoW thats pretty much all people do, sit in town half afk queing.
Towns are silent apart from random trade chat trolling and the occasional advertisment for someone selling something, and the gameworld is barren of intiligent life to the point it feels more like a Co-op game then a MMO outside cities.
I know this is turning to be a standard in modern day MMOs but must every new MMO theese days mimic WoW for both good and bad?

And I don't dislike WoW, I just miss the days when playing an MMO meant to play togheter with others in something that felt like a genuine virtual world, instead of just playing more or less solo amongst other soloists jumping from one instanced hub or lobby to another.

[Rousseau]

I don't understand why people would suddenly be rude to those on other servers but not their own.. I'm sure it happens sometimes, but I just don't understand people like that.

I don't really understand it, either, but that's how a lot of people act in games like WoW. I can only chalk it up to impatience and an ends-justify-the-means mentality, which is made worse by the knowledge that the other players can't really do much to impact them long-term. If they get vote-kicked, they just re-queue and find another group to ruin.

It is perhaps worth pointing out that Blizzard has a rule about creating threads to complain about problem players. It is against the TOS, and doing so can get the thread creator banned. I say this because I see mention of such things being allowed by SE on their FFXI forums, which would maybe cut down on the poor behavior...assuming that SE doesn't eventually go the same route as Blizzard and ban naming names.

[Nabiri]

It is perhaps worth pointing out that Blizzard has a rule about creating threads to complain about problem players. It is against the TOS, and doing so can get the thread creator banned. I say this because I see mention of such things being allowed by SE on their FFXI forums, which would maybe cut down on the poor behavior...assuming that SE doesn't eventually go the same route as Blizzard and ban naming names.

Something about this has always bothered me.. I hope SE doesn't allow it on the official forums ( - they have no control over other forums).
I've always seen it as a sort of.. tattle-tale, crying to mommy.. "Waaaaaaaaaaaaah this person was mean to meeee!! Everyone should hate them too!!" If someone's a jerk, fine, let them be a jerk, but there's no reason to sink to their level (or lower) to ruin their reputation. If they're that bad I'm sure they'll do a good job of ruining it on their own.

[Rousseau]

Something about this has always bothered me.. I hope SE doesn't allow it on the official forums ( - they have no control over other forums).
I've always seen it as a sort of.. tattle-tale, crying to mommy.. "Waaaaaaaaaaaaah this person was mean to meeee!! Everyone should hate them too!!" If someone's a jerk, fine, let them be a jerk, but there's no reason to sink to their level (or lower) to ruin their reputation. If they're that bad I'm sure they'll do a good job of ruining it on their own.

In sociology, this is considered to be a common and natural group dynamic. People sometimes complain about it, but it's usually because they're scared that they will be the ones to end up getting the short end of the stick (and I do know how that is, yet I still understand why this occurs). And there is the fact that some people actually want to get away with being antisocial. Either way, society has always been about isolating the behaviors that the group finds problematic and using guilt and shame to either scare the offenders away or force them to get in line. It's distinctively human, and it's not going to change any time soon, if ever, especially since it has served humanity so well up to this point.

Also, I still fail to understand why this discussion has turned into a Casual Vs. Hardcore debate. To me, this is all about social engineering. The difficulty of the game doesn't even enter into the equation for me.

[Chardrizard]

If content finder ever gets implemented, there will always be unofficial thread for either player warning/blacklists/background check. It always has in every MMO i have played that were merging servers or have server transfers method, there was also one too in FFXI.

News will travels the same way even if only few people notices, people will starts talking.

[Sylvari]

If content finder ever gets implemented, there will always be unofficial thread for either player warning/blacklists/background check. It always has in every MMO i have played that were merging servers or have server transfers method, there was also one too in FFXI.

News will travels the same way even if only few people notices, people will starts talking.

Also i have to add to that, Most if not all MMO's implement a majority rules system for booting party members, So chances are two friends that decide to be ass holes will likely be voted out of the group pretty fast.