New summoner is unacceptable

[Rae88]

Unsurprised. Shb made it obvious that FFXIV was slowly turning into a videogame for people that are bad at videogames and EW just continues that trend.

I wouldn't be surprised if further down the line Ultimates get AoE markers and Echo buff due to casual players feeling entitled to have things handed to them.

It's not that the game is turning easy but rather Square Enix are pushing the complexity to optional content and increasing the accessibility of the mandatory content like your rotation and things. IMO anyway

I don't really have a problem with this I think. I think I have more of a problem with lack of diversity, especially amongst tanks for example or healers, but the lack of complexity I don't mind. You can make up for that with encounter design imo.

[HappyHubris]

It's not that the game is turning easy but rather Square Enix are pushing the complexity to optional content and increasing the accessibility of the mandatory content like your rotation and things. IMO anyway

The problem is that many people enjoy execution complexity and mastering a job. Once you learn a fight's mechanics (or if you're going through easier content like roulettes) the only thing left is trying to squeeze more output from your rotation.

[HappyHubris]

1. This job feels very straightforward now, like there is no execution error or little optimization to be had.
2. There are a lot of oddly dead buttons that stay on your hotbar. Why for example do the summon Direct/AoE nukes need their own transforming buttons on top of ruin and tri-disaster? While this is a very slim cast bar, it also vexes me in how you can't put the "important buttons" in the "important places. In MMOs with stances, you typically swap out hotbars, which would be perfect.
3. The animations and effects feel so epic, and every class should be designed to have this visual impact!
4. I wouldn't want to main 6.0 SMN, as I feel like it would be very boring to farm raids with.

[EverQuest]

Or I dunno just play another game. The entire player base isn't chasing 100s.

Log in perform average collect your loot come back when you have more to do. Seems pretty straightforward and something even Yoshi said was perfectly fine.

There's a ton of straightforward jobs. The entire prang is basically ez pz. Rdm and Blm are pretty chill now. Reaper is pretty chill. Pretty much all the tanks are chillaxation.

Summoner was basically an outliers with it being overly complex. New summoner is about on par with all the other others now. You might argue a few complex jobs are still out but those appear to be getting tuned down over time.

[Roda]

Or I dunno just play another game. The entire player base isn't chasing 100s.

Log in perform average collect your loot come back when you have more to do. Seems pretty straightforward and something even Yoshi said was perfectly fine.

There's a ton of straightforward jobs. The entire prang is basically ez pz. Rdm and Blm are pretty chill now. Reaper is pretty chill. Pretty much all the tanks are chillaxation.

Summoner was basically an outliers with it being overly complex. New summoner is about on par with all the other others now. You might argue a few complex jobs are still out but those appear to be getting tuned down over time.

SMN wasn't "overly complex".
The game just obfuscated the intent of its mechanics up until level 80.
It was about timer alignment, keeping your dots up, making sure you didn't overcap or otherwise waste resources, and trying to ensure you managed those resources well enough to be able to go into bahamut phase with 4 stacks of ruin 4.
You could break it down into 3 distinct phases. Resource management, DWT+baha, and phoenix. Relaxed casting to make sure all your ducks are in a row, the payoff for planning well, and a mechanical twist that is simple, relaxing, and novel at the same time.


Any other nuances were from coding issues that STILL PLAGUE the job in 6.0, and are made even worse by the new and profound lack of control we have over our "summons"

[Issaella]

SMN wasn't "overly complex".
The game just obfuscated the intent of its mechanics up until level 80.
It was about timer alignment, keeping your dots up, making sure you didn't overcap or otherwise waste resources, and trying to ensure you managed those resources well enough to be able to go into bahamut phase with 4 stacks of ruin 4.
You could break it down into 3 distinct phases. Resource management, DWT+baha, and phoenix. Relaxed casting to make sure all your ducks are in a row, the payoff for planning well, and a mechanical twist that is simple, relaxing, and novel at the same time.


Any other nuances were from coding issues that STILL PLAGUE the job in 6.0, and are made even worse by the new and profound lack of control we have over our "summons"

You summed up my feelings exactly. They took a job that was fun to play around planning and resource management that was plagued by bugs due to the bad coding on the companion AI and replaced it with a mechanically inferior job that is zero fun to play and that is still plagued by the same companion AI issues to which they arguably added more.

[Hyrist]

SMN wasn't "overly complex".
The game just obfuscated the intent of its mechanics up until level 80.

Stop there.

Do you hear yourself. You're level 80. Pause a moment. Take a breath. Let's get to 90. I'm fairly certain you'll still have similar complaints - but lets see if your assessment of 'intent of mechanics'. Holds true for 90 as well.

[Daralii]

Stop there.

Do you hear yourself. You're level 80. Pause a moment. Take a breath. Let's get to 90. I'm fairly certain you'll still have similar complaints - but lets see if your assessment of 'intent of mechanics'. Holds true for 90 as well.

The only difference between 80 and 90 is the elemental Astral Flows and the summons changing from egis to the big ones. Slipstream/Mountain Buster/melee combo doesn't magically fix things.

[Riusvell]

Or I dunno just play another game. The entire player base isn't chasing 100s.

Log in perform average collect your loot come back when you have more to do. Seems pretty straightforward and something even Yoshi said was perfectly fine.

There's a ton of straightforward jobs. The entire prang is basically ez pz. Rdm and Blm are pretty chill now. Reaper is pretty chill. Pretty much all the tanks are chillaxation.

Summoner was basically an outliers with it being overly complex. New summoner is about on par with all the other others now. You might argue a few complex jobs are still out but those appear to be getting tuned down over time.

Wow, every raider surely only logs in to the game just raid. Totally!

Grow up, please. Just because players do the Savage content and Ultimates, doesn't mean they don't do other content as well.
It's only a select portion of the raiders that do the raid logging thing.

It sure is lovely that the one magical class that appealed to me is now a hollow, unfinished mess that it is right now with false promises of being fixed.
"Go play something else", sure. Like what? Oh wait, I just said that this the only magical class that appealed to me! Aethestetically and gameplaywise. Ranged? No thanks. Healers? Nah, boring. Tanks? Only Dark Knight, but I miss being a magical damage dealer.
Melee? Nope, not for me either.

There was only one class I legitimately enjoyed the battle content from and now thanks to this "rework" which I do not even wish to call a rework because it simply isn't complete, there's nothing left.

Another thing, a level 80 class shouldn't be feeling like 60.

[Nighthawky2010]

Even though RDM is my main, I have played SMN since 2.0.

After leveling SMN to 90 & using it considerably in the 90 dungeons...i don't know...it's just MEH to me. This is just my opinion.

I miss shadowflare. I miss the DOTs. Fester means nothing to me without the DOTs. I would have settled for the for Ifrit, Garuda, Titan slapped on a DOT when they are first summoned

I think the stat squish didn't help any. Bahamut/Phoenix DPS seems a little weak.

Don't get me wrong, I love the aesthetics & I enjoyed leveling the job to see the changes but the job doesn't pop for me like it did in ShB.

I keep forgetting that I have a Ruin 3 or 4, barely use it.

I guess i miss the busyness of the ShB SMN. Just my opinion.