Broil

[ForteNightshade]

Sounds like you need to run harder content or you need to stop letting the other healer do all the healing.

I pulled a random blue tier log just now for the sake of argument. Both healers have near identical DPS and HPS percentiles. So neither "chad'd" the other nor were they top high end raiders. These are fairly average logs from E9S. In just three minutes, 68% of the White Mage's casts were Glare while 55% of the Scholar's were Broil III. They both spent more than half the entire first three minutes of Cloud of Darkness pressing a single button.

"Well, that's just the first three minutes!"

When they clear the entire fight, both percentiles drop by only 5-ish%. The White Mage still spent 64% of their casts on a single button. And this is Savage. While it may be the first floor, it's supposed to be difficult content. What's even worse is when you add Misery and Dia into the equation. At this point, over 70% of their casts are DPS abilities. All of which come from three buttons. Since you have Paladin listed on your profile. Imagine if all you pressed for roughly four minutes (64% of a 6:29 kill time) is Atonement. Not Confiteor, your 123 combo, Fight or Flight. Just Atonement... for nearly the entire fight with barely anything else weaved in.

Welcome to why healers are upset.

[Boizinho]

To be technical, I don't think you will be able to cast it more. The cast time is 1.5s, but recast will remain on the GCD. What this will translate to is far less interruptions as the result of having to cancel a cast to avoid taking damage. A 1.5s cast time has to be cancelled nearly immediately for it to not still go off as a result of slide casting.

I get you point though and if it is any consolation, Broil upgrades are looking more and more like heat seeking technology, which does get a very two big thumbsup from me.

Technically you will get more Broils in than before since you won't be weaving with Ruin II and clipping the GCD isn't an issue anymore. You might also get one extra cast off on a boss that's about to go invulnerable in less than 2.4 seconds.

Ruin II + Energy Drain making DPS-neutral oGCD heals cost 2 Aetherflow was one of the main things that made the job sort of interesting. Now it'll play like AST with no cards most likely.

[Gemina]

Technically you will get more Broils in than before since you won't be weaving with Ruin II and clipping the GCD isn't an issue anymore. You might also get one extra cast off on a boss that's about to go invulnerable in less than 2.4 seconds.

Ruin II + Energy Drain making DPS-neutral oGCD heals cost 2 Aetherflow was one of the main things that made the job sort of interesting. Now it'll play like AST with no cards most likely.

You can't cast more Broils than the GCD allows. There isn't a way around that. If less clipping results in more Broils cast, that is making up for lost ground. That is not quite the same. Like I said before though, I understand where the OP was coming from. However, I will say that it will be interesting to see what happens to Ruin 2+oGCD weaving now that it is no longer necessary. It would basically make it just a movement skill at that point. It might even get pruned.

[Karthunk]

I've run Savages, I've run Extreme's, I've healed on every single Job for 8 fucking years. Only one healer is needed in most content, two healers is actually pointless once gearing hits a certain score. Healing in Savage really isn't that difficult, and consists really of just subsisting of of oGCD's.

You know NOTHING, and your ignorant statement shows it.

Need a Snickers? I know over exaggeration when I see it. Maybe playing a Sage will fill your need to click a few more dps buttons?

I pulled a random blue tier log just now for the sake of argument. Both healers have near identical DPS and HPS percentiles. So neither "chad'd" the other nor were they top high end raiders. These are fairly average logs from E9S. In just three minutes, 68% of the White Mage's casts were Glare while 55% of the Scholar's were Broil III. They both spent more than half the entire first three minutes of Cloud of Darkness pressing a single button.

"Well, that's just the first three minutes!"

When they clear the entire fight, both percentiles drop by only 5-ish%. The White Mage still spent 64% of their casts on a single button. And this is Savage. While it may be the first floor, it's supposed to be difficult content. What's even worse is when you add Misery and Dia into the equation. At this point, over 70% of their casts are DPS abilities. All of which come from three buttons. Since you have Paladin listed on your profile. Imagine if all you pressed for roughly four minutes (64% of a 6:29 kill time) is Atonement. Not Confiteor, your 123 combo, Fight or Flight. Just Atonement... for nearly the entire fight with barely anything else weaved in.

Welcome to why healers are upset.

The above guy I quoted had about 95+% of his casts dps, which is only happening if he is ignoring a majority of the healing. I'm still not seeing how pushing 3 different buttons for some kind of rotation is going to make a massive game play change for healers over just pushing one button.

[Grimoire-M]

Need a Snickers? I know over exaggeration when I see it. Maybe playing a Sage will fill your need to click a few more dps buttons?



The above guy I quoted had about 95+% of his casts dps, which is only happening if he is ignoring a majority of the healing. I'm still not seeing how pushing 3 different buttons for some kind of rotation is going to make a massive game play change for healers over just pushing one button.

Maybe because we should aim for at least 8 or so for a legitimate DPS rotation? Hell we can even integrate healing and/or DPS into a few charge-based cooldowns (Say Assize, or Bane + Deployment Tactics), let’s say 1-3 buttons are dedicated to that, that leaves room for at least 2 buttons to be made a part of the core rotation over the three we have now. That’s basically staggered DoTs from HW/Stormblood right there.

A little extra forethought over what we had then isn’t a big ask. They’ve proven they’re capable of it already, but refuse to keep trying.

[AFuzzyMu11in]

If there is just broil that means you can focus more on healing and less on rotations. Healers shouldn’t be forced to learn rotations unlike dps and maybe tanks. They are situational based on what is needed and rotations disrupt that.

[WaxSw]

Need a Snickers? I know over exaggeration when I see it. Maybe playing a Sage will fill your need to click a few more dps buttons?



The above guy I quoted had about 95+% of his casts dps, which is only happening if he is ignoring a majority of the healing. I'm still not seeing how pushing 3 different buttons for some kind of rotation is going to make a massive game play change for healers over just pushing one button.

I'll give you some numbers so you can see how bad the situation is with E10s clear casts from SCH:

DPS Actions:
145 Broil 3, 43 Ruin 2, 36 Energy drain, 17 Biolysis

Heals:
6 Whispering dawn, 5 Consolation, 4 Fey Blessing, 4 Indomitability, 2 Fey union, 2 Fey Illumination, 1 Adlo

Other (Sprint, Aetherflow, Recitation, Chain stratagem etc..): 42 casts

In total we have 241 offensive actions vs 24 healing actions, 10 times more offensive actions than healing actions and considering the total casts were 307 we can see that 78% of the casts were dps actions vs 7,8% of the casts as heals
Not only that but 99% of the GCDs were offensive actions and thats only because I wanted to count the preshield before the fight as part of the actions used there.

That was an 85 percentile in terms of HPS, This run where heals do not even reach 8% of the total actions used is considered to be in the top 15% of the total runs in terms of HEALING PER SECOND...let that sink in.

[Semirhage]

If there is just broil that means you can focus more on healing and less on rotations. Healers shouldn’t be forced to learn rotations unlike dps and maybe tanks. They are situational based on what is needed and rotations disrupt that.

If I spent all of my time focused on healing, I'd spend the vast majority of content casting Medica 2/Regen once or twice a minute and doing /manderville for the other 55 seconds of that minute. Healing outside high-end difficulty requires almost zero effort or attention most of the time.

[ToodlesElNoodles]

Ya know, I actually kinda wanna see someone make a video of that. One as proof and two coz it’d be hilarious.

[Roeshel]

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Even if all the AE stacks were used for healing instead of ED, the gap between offensive casts and healing actions would have still been big because that's the whole point of oGCD casting. In any case, you have week 1 clear log of e9s and there your broil casts were less than 40% of the total casts you've made and that was a pink parse, others couldn't broil as much. In your first uploaded clear of E12S2 Broil made up for less than 35% of your total casts. It is not like it was pressing only 1 button all of the time which is what Karthunk is trying to explain.

I'm still not seeing how pushing 3 different buttons for some kind of rotation is going to make a massive game play change for healers over just pushing one button.

It is not any different. It would be actually worse to have 1-2-3 combo because our visual will be looking dull and old. A simple 1-2-3 combo is the same as 1-1-1. DPS classes have their combos in the same button in PvP because it is unnecessary button bloat.

It would be nice if healers had interactive DPS spells like Sage does.