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  1. #31
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    GrimGale's Avatar
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    Grim Gaelasch
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    Moogle
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Nucempow View Post
    I know its just another random opinion, but I think it's fine the way they have scholar right now. I mean, sure, the dps options are boring and limited. But they are trying to make this game appeal to a wide variety of players. And maybe, some people struggle fitting dps in between healing. Many first time gamers start out as healers because their significant other tries to simplify it for them by telling them to just make sure the green bars dont go down.

    Now as a big lover of SCH, I get the desire for more interesting damage options. But I wouldn't so quickly forget about the minority of players that struggle with rotations. They should have a class that feels easier to play.
    Would DPS players accept that. Your class gets dumbed down to the point you get only three buttons and you weave in three other buttons.

    Did MCH just accept the new design of their 1.2.3 class?
    Did MNK just accept the dumbing down of their class? They got a rework.
    Did SMN just accepr the garbled mess of their class? They had the numbers, it worked just fine right?

    Why is dumbing down a class for amthe sake of accessibility only justified with healers? Why do they have to lower the skill floor and the skill ceiling? Button Bloat? You have still have passives and interesting interactions you could design between existing abilities.
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  2. #32
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    Cora Eudestand
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    If you genuinely want to know if there's a double standard, ask a DPS player how they feel when they get Sastasha in leveling roulette.

    Sucks to only press 2-3 buttons at level 18 right? Try one button at level 80.
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  3. #33
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    Quies Animus
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    Zalera
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    Paladin Lv 76
    Quote Originally Posted by Boizinho View Post
    If you genuinely want to know if there's a double standard, ask a DPS player how they feel when they get Sastasha in leveling roulette.

    Sucks to only press 2-3 buttons at level 18 right? Try one button at level 80.
    Make them play like a dragoon before level 40, haha. Single-target those mobs! That's all you deserve!
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  4. #34
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    Source Eldion
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by EmpyreanHelios View Post
    Make them play like a dragoon before level 40, haha. Single-target those mobs! That's all you deserve!
    It's funny, because players DO complain about Dragoon having no AoE except one button for like 20 plus levels, but then turn around and say it's completely acceptable for Healers.
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  5. #35
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    Engrace Fidem
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    Famfrit
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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxCh40s View Post
    Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Tetra Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Dia Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Divine Benison Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Dia Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Assize Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Afflatus Solace... Dia... Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Assize Glare Glare Glare Glare Tetra? Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare.

    If you stopped reading that halfway through, you subconsciously think healers are boring and unwilling to admit it out of pride.
    Sounds like you need to run harder content or you need to stop letting the other healer do all the healing.
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  6. #36
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    Jira Dal'riata
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    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Brandedblade View Post
    Oh wow. you mean to tell me that all of those buttons I weave don't exist at all? all those buttons i can now fluidly tuck between every Broil cast are just not there whatsoever? If a game is not fun for you dont play it. All you're doing is making yourself miserable.
    I’d like to point out that content isn’t hard enough to purely heal like that. I run 60s and don’t even have to heal cuz of how undertuned everything is. SHB dungeons being very very light on mechanics Imagine the stat squish buff being too potent and your just spamming 1 attack like a mch all day. Even going to savages it STILL isn’t hard enough to be purely healing like this. The content doesn’t reflect the kit at all
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  7. #37
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Karthunk View Post
    Sounds like you need to run harder content or you need to stop letting the other healer do all the healing.
    I've run Savages, I've run Extreme's, I've healed on every single Job for 8 fucking years. Only one healer is needed in most content, two healers is actually pointless once gearing hits a certain score. Healing in Savage really isn't that difficult, and consists really of just subsisting of of oGCD's.

    You know NOTHING, and your ignorant statement shows it.
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  8. #38
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    Jets Down
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    Gilgamesh
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Karthunk View Post
    Sounds like you need to run harder content or you need to stop letting the other healer do all the healing.
    2 things.

    1. That is what you do in savage and even in Ultimate difficulty there is no higher end content that stops that monotonous borefest of a healer downtime.

    2. It shouldn't be acceptable in any piece of content to be forced(note forced and not willing to because new/uncomfortable etc) into that level of monotony.


    Would any other role just accept in solo content they should be doing:
    -Snap Punch x150 with a sprinkle of Tornado kick
    -Fire IV with no Xeno/Blizzard just Five IV with Thunder III
    -Pld reverting back to ARR and only having 1-2 this time instead of 1-2-3 over and over and over and over again(Plds complained back then a 1-2-3 combo was boring to spam seems SE thought dumbing it down further but stick it on healers rather than a tank and people be ok with with it, we are not)
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  9. #39
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    Truen's Avatar
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    Brunox Sky
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    Exodus
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    Scholar Lv 82
    Can you imagine how boring it would be to play this design from level 1 onward? Goood grief, I'd quit the game to be honest. This is the worst designed healing job/class I've seen in any game.
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  10. #40
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    Nemene Damendar
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    Midgardsormr
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    It definitely makes solo duties seem sadly hilarious.
    "Wow you're such a peerless warrior in combat. It's really amazing watching you do what nobody else can!"

    >Enters combat with Zenos or whoever
    >Broil Broil Broil Broil Broil Broil Broil Broil Broil Broil

    Gosh I wish I could teach my masterful techniques to you guys, but it would take you decades to learn such skillful combat powers.
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